The Provocations of Camille Paglia

Post by Digory » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:25 PM UTC

danharaj wrote: post #97

not_a_terf wrote: post #66

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Wouldn't the Reimer story support a naive version of biological sex moreso than an acceptance of gender identity?

It supports believing people about what their gender identity is instead of imposing it on them. The rate of attempted suicide in transgender people is over 40% if they are not socially supported. That rate drops to general population levels in trans people who have familial and community support when transitioning.

Post by sprafa » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 6:59 PM UTC

stallmanite wrote: post #126

blackpowder12 wrote: post #119

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Relevant article. The plausible deniability of the gesture seems to be part of its appeal to 4chan and Proud Boy trolls. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/18/ok-sign-white...

Ok so us normies out here who use the ok gesture and have no idea about the stupid 4 chan meme are going to be considered white nationalists now? Seems like a good way to make a problem where there isn't one.

Post by _bfhp » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:35 PM UTC

xkapastel wrote: post #115

sterlind wrote: post #56

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Gender studies did indeed start out this way, dismissive of notions of "biological sex," until the case of David Reimer threw a bucket of cold water on those second-wave feminist theories. David was the victim of a botched circumcision as an infant. His doctors decided to turn an outie into an innie, constructed a vagina, and told his parents to raise him as a woman. He was given "vitamin" pills (actually estrogen) a…

> This was an early factor in third-wave feminism accepting gender identity, which is why almost all millenial and gen-Z feminists accept trans and intersex people and why TERFs tend to be older I don't see why this story would lead anyone to accept gender identity. I also think there are many millenials and gen-Z's who would be classified as "TERFs", and in fact would view the term as derogatory.

Post by jboynyc » Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 9:54 PM UTC

jboynyc wrote: post #30

rvn1045 wrote: post #19

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I’m not that familiar with her work. But my understanding is that when disciplines like gender studies were being formed they completely ignored biology and nature.in fact there were no biologists in the gender studies departments. And she was one of the first people to suggest that we must study gender with a basis in biology. This is what she may be referencing in the passage you quoted.

Ahem... Do you know about Anne Fasto-Sterling or Donna Haraway? They are both highly credentialed biologists and pivotal figures in the development of women's/gender studies.

Post by dang » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 12:25 AM UTC

sprafa wrote: post #36

Peterson lost a lot of credibility for me when he took a group selfie with some guys with a big Pepe The Frog flag. I mean it’s kind of funny but 90% of the Pepe memes are actually racist and horrible (from what I’ve seen). After that I couldn’t take his alt-right denialism very seriously. It’s a shame because I actually think some of his talks are quite good.