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Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by sprafa »

lightbyte wrote: post #123
scarejunba wrote: post #118

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How is this not obvious? Industrialization is a rapid road to prosperity. The West industrialized and is prosperous, and now requires the other countries not take the path they took? It’s never going to happen. You can’t dump 7 times as much carbon as a Brazilian into the atmosphere and then ask them to cut emissions. Especially when you have the money and resources to be carbon negative and choose not to.

So the answer is to throw our hands in the air and give up because our ancestors did something we now to be extremely harmful so we have to let everyone else do it too?

Absolutely not. But I don’t think sanctions are a great idea.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by sprafa »

piva00 wrote: post #125
sprafa wrote: post #120

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So defensive? It’s the second time news like this have shown up and it’s the second time people have suggested sanctions. Usually Americans living under a regime that is one of the few countries to pull out of the Paris Agreement. You don’t see a problem with that? Why is Brasil having to shoulder the blame for CO2 mostly produced elsewhere? There’s a lot that can be done but really it’s the usual thing for me - if y…

I'm a Brazilian, living in Sweden and I'm going to push and get in touch with people I know who have connections or work at Riksdagen (the Swedish parliament) to start any kind of discussion on sanctioning the beef and mining industry in Brazil. It's possible to criticise something even if you live in a glasshouse, even more when what's being done down there is senseless for the future of the whole country, like I me…

I am also Brazilian but yeah I’m not saying any of this is right. I just don’t get the sanctions idea being so popular around here.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by piva00 »

sprafa wrote: post #131
lightbyte wrote: post #123

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So the answer is to throw our hands in the air and give up because our ancestors did something we now to be extremely harmful so we have to let everyone else do it too?

Absolutely not. But I don’t think sanctions are a great idea.

And what would be your proposal? Bolsonaro will only listen when the scummy people who supports him (and I'm talking about business, not the voters) get hurt in their pockets.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by honestoHeminway »

vfc1 wrote: post #80
Hitton wrote: post #64

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I consider such approach rather oppressive and reeking of colonialism attitudes. It sounds like: "Fuck Brasil, let's ban them from using their natural resources, while we happily keep using ours". There is literally no reason why other countries countries couldn't plant more forests to enhance their carbon depositions, now Brasil thanks to their rainforests does more of biosequestration than any other country on Eart…

No other country can plant a rainforest the size of Amazonia, come on that does not make sense. The Amazonia rainforest is unique and cannot be replaced, I don't get how the rate that it's getting tore down to plant soy crops for cattle feed to allow for the production of cheap meat is not alarming to anyone.

Make a aerosol drone with bovine-fever. So much did he value his life, that he gave his own lifestyle .. and sacrificed his cultivated species..

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by newsgremlin »

PauloManrique wrote: post #116
newsgremlin wrote: post #114

If we truly care about nature then Brazil should be made one of the most politically and economically stable countries in the world by the powers of the world. If that seems like too much effort to give up our own resources to protect the environment then leading world powers should re-evaluate whether its in humanities best interest to have few stable places of living that don't come at the cost of the environment t…

Your point implies that we need to deflorestate in order to be economically stable. No, our economy is not bad because of the environment, it's bad because of bad decisions of politicians of the past.

Think you misunderstood my point, I'm saying that deforestation is a result of a economic woes. If the economy was in better shape we would be seeing less deforestation.

The politicians make decisions against the environment because it's how they gain political points, being seen as the fiscally conservative leader is always a winner in uncertain times.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by PauloManrique »

newsgremlin wrote: post #135
PauloManrique wrote: post #116

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Your point implies that we need to deflorestate in order to be economically stable. No, our economy is not bad because of the environment, it's bad because of bad decisions of politicians of the past.

Think you misunderstood my point, I'm saying that deforestation is a result of a economic woes. If the economy was in better shape we would be seeing less deforestation. The politicians make decisions against the environment because it's how they gain political points, being seen as the fiscally conservative leader is always a winner in uncertain times.

Not in our case. Our current president is a climate change denial, in favor of reducing protected areas, he's cutting funding to inspections and so on.

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by lonelappde »

newsgremlin wrote: post #112
marmadukester39 wrote: post #101

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Who says any human should “own” a rainforest?

Who says any human should "own" the oil in the ground or the ground itself? We can't champion private ownership while denying private ownership to others. Especially when you have no control over said land. It's cliche to blame capitalism, but it is capitalism that has given us a distorted view of the world and of the concept of ownership.

> We can't champion private ownership while denying private ownership to others.

Of course we can. It's called colonialist and it's what made Europe and USA the economic powerhouses of the world.

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