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My Sudden Trip to Hell

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This was terrifying. How does an infection like this happen though? What can you do to prevent it?

In many cases, probably nothing. But here's what I'd do:

Stay away from places where a lot of different people touch a lot of different things - and if you have to touch those things, wipe them down first with antiseptic wipes or similar.

In addition to this - take care not to let (or get, if possible - not always easy, depending on what you do for a living, your hobbies, and just life itself) wounds happen on your skin or mouth. If you do get a wound (cut, scratch, bite, etc) - try to take care of it properly immediately; clean it, apply dressing, etc. In the case of mouth wounds (ie - you bite your tongue or lip hard enough to draw blood), about all you can do is a salt rinse and keep your teeth brushed.

Stay away from hospitals and care homes and the like - seriously, one of the best places to get an infection is in a hospital or doctor's office. It seems counterintuitive, but when you have a place where sick people congregate, not everything is going to be "squeaky clean" even when they are regularly cleaned.

You might take the extreme step of wearing some kind of mask to reduce the inhalation of bacteria and/or viruses. It won't completely stop it, but it will reduce it a little.

Don't hang around sick people? If a coworker shows up to work sick, you might want to go home yourself (explain to your boss why, first - and let them make a decision as to who should go home - likely, they'll send the coworker home first). Unfortunately, so many people have kids, and are "carriers" of stuff that don't affect them much because they do have kids, but if you don't have kids and/or don't hang around kids much - you can pick up things that way easily.

Always wash your hands thoroughly after using the bathroom. Elbow out the door if possible (or use a paper towel to open the door).

Avoid stress (easier said than done for some people) - ultimately, though, stress does weaken the immune system; this is known. Better is to understand when you are stressed, and what forms stress can take, so you can know when you are under it. Some kinds of stress aren't always easily apparent. Note that this might also apply to "good stress"; I'm not sure. If you are tired and "stressed" from an extreme workout, I am not sure if that helps or hinders your immune system during your recovery...

Ultimately, though, you can't control everything, and you have to live your life. There's probably no way to trace back to where this guy picked up his infection. If I had to make a guess, maybe the gym? It could have easily have been during a run or a walk outside as well. Or just some door he pushed open to go into a room or building. The bacteria/viruses that cause these kinds of infections and issues are all around us, and our bodies do a fairly good job of keeping them at bay. But sometimes, bad luck happens.

Re: My Sudden Trip to Hell

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do they deny you treatment if you don't have that kind of money?

I really don’t know. They usually say everybody gets treated but I would guess quality will suffer. Or you will get relaxed as quickly as possible.

“Released” not “relaxed”. You won’t be relaxed after getting the bill.

Re: My Sudden Trip to Hell

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I was going to say “I recall when I had sepsis in my teens”, but the truth of it is that I don’t - there’s a six week hole in my memory, that skips straight from lying in a pool of blood and puss on the floor of the kitchen at school, having a mop thrust in my face, to lying in a bed in hospital with tubes snaking out of me. The weird thing is, despite being unconscious for over a month, I woke up feeling like I hadn…

> It grew until I couldn’t fit trousers over my leg

Good lord, your school let the thing grow on you without sending you to the doctor!? That's unbelievable negligence!

Re: My Sudden Trip to Hell

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This was terrifying. How does an infection like this happen though? What can you do to prevent it?

The thing with this man is that he assumed he had the flu:

> By the time I landed in New York that day in February, I felt a flu coming on. The next 48 hours was a marathon, so I resolved to push through.

And he also experienced some very non-flu like symptoms:

> by Wednesday night I was running a serious fever and my left leg was in a surprising amount of pain.

Despite having a high fever and pain, he didn't go to the hospital until he actually collapsed the next day. Had he sought medical treatment as soon as the leg pain manifested, his outcome might not have been as dire.

Re: My Sudden Trip to Hell

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I am from Europe and I can confirm that nobody would even consider the "costs involved". It's just not something you think about. I am puzzled by why the richest nation in the world prefers to spend 3.1 billions of dollars on arming Israel, or spend $700 billion military budget (even though its territory isn't being threatened in any way), rather than provide universal healtcare and education to its citizens, who liv…

> even though its territory isn't being threatened in any way It isn't threatened because of its powerful military; also why Europeans can spend all that money on healthcare instead of defense: a benevolent democracy to provide safety. Not to mention it stokes the richest economy and innovation.

Nothing is for free so benevolence is out of the question.

Payment comes in many forms. When a dictator on the other side of the world needs a "democracy" shot, or a country needs some additional sanctions for national security, the fact that European countries offer support makes the difference between greed/aggression and a "righteousness".

Re: My Sudden Trip to Hell

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It's a sign of what it's like to be an American that the following stood out to me: The timing of his illness is rather unfortunate, as it caught him in New York, rather than Toronto, which probably cost him a lot of money.

Pay for it with taxes, pay for it with premiums and bills. You’re paying for it. No one works for free, the medicine costs money. The money comes from somewhere.

> No one works for free, the medicine costs money. The money comes from somewhere.

Why do some people think this is a shock?

Nobody thinks medicine is ever going to be free. That's a strawman position. You might as well argue in favor of universal toll roads by saying that roads are never going to be free, so suck it up and accept that you're going to pay $50 one-way every time you commute, and $200 one-way every time you get groceries: The people who protest that aren't saying roads are ever going to be free, they're just saying that better payment models exist.

Re: My Sudden Trip to Hell

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> even though its territory isn't being threatened in any way It isn't threatened because of its powerful military; also why Europeans can spend all that money on healthcare instead of defense: a benevolent democracy to provide safety. Not to mention it stokes the richest economy and innovation.

Nothing is for free so benevolence is out of the question. Payment comes in many forms. When a dictator on the other side of the world needs a "democracy" shot, or a country needs some additional sanctions for national security, the fact that European countries offer support makes the difference between greed/aggression and a "righteousness".

A surgeon gets paid to cure my illness ... therefore he can't be kind or have good will toward me? How about a non-volunteer firefighter risking his life?

Re: My Sudden Trip to Hell

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post #82

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I am from Europe and I can confirm that nobody would even consider the "costs involved". It's just not something you think about. I am puzzled by why the richest nation in the world prefers to spend 3.1 billions of dollars on arming Israel, or spend $700 billion military budget (even though its territory isn't being threatened in any way), rather than provide universal healtcare and education to its citizens, who liv…

> even though its territory isn't being threatened in any way It isn't threatened because of its powerful military; also why Europeans can spend all that money on healthcare instead of defense: a benevolent democracy to provide safety. Not to mention it stokes the richest economy and innovation.

You’ll find the US already spends comparably per capita. They just get much less for the money.

Re: My Sudden Trip to Hell

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This reminds me of the time that science fiction writer Peter Watts got necrotising fasciitis, and wrote a series of sardonic blog posts with gruesome photos (seriously - gruesome) about it:

https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?cat=41

He was never in a coma, though, so got to be a bit more chipper about the whole thing.

Re: My Sudden Trip to Hell

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> even though its territory isn't being threatened in any way It isn't threatened because of its powerful military; also why Europeans can spend all that money on healthcare instead of defense: a benevolent democracy to provide safety. Not to mention it stokes the richest economy and innovation.

You’ll find the US already spends comparably per capita. They just get much less for the money.

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