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Re: Off-Facebook Activity

#131

This is a good step but it'll probably be something that won't be pushed widely by Facebook themselves but pointed to by them to regulators, saying 'look, we do care!'

This is a good step

I disagree. It's a typical Facebook step.

Sneaky, shifty and weasely.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

#132
post #80

Wait how can I set my preferences for the activity they're tracking on me if I don't have an account? I'm not under any illusions they're not trying to track me despite me not having an account with them.

We know that FB tracks us just as much as the people who have accounts. But we have less access and fewer rights.

Actually if you're in the EU you have more rights (but may have a hard time enforcing them).

Data collection, according to the GDPR, requires a reason. If I have a Facebook account you're in a relationshio with the company and so they can argue that you agree to providing your data (it's all there in the 12000, or so, "User Agreement".

If you do not use Facebook, Instagram or WhatsApp you are not in a business relationship with the company and they have no right to collect and store your data.

I have a feeling that there's a very nasty legal fight with the EU brewing here in a few years time.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

#133
post #2

This is the clear history feature that was announced a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16969325 . See also the engineering post that explains some of the challenges in implementing this: https://engineering.fb.com/data-infrastructure/off-facebook-...

If it’s challenging to make a feature treat users with respect then maybe you shouldn’t have built the feature in the first place? It’s like designing a dangerous rollercoaster with no concern for safety, and then when people start dying complaining about how hard it was to make it safe. Nasty, unethical, criminal and morally bankrupt company. There are no other words to describe it.

Did you read the article? If you read between the lines is really tells you what they think of user's privacy. Apparently their systems was never designed to allow deletion of data, and they had to do investigations just to figure out what the different teams were doing with it. There is no way they found everything.

If I was investing a a GDPR complaint, this article contains a lot of information that would be useful when asking questions to FB.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

#134
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since no one else has asked yet: You seem like a nice guy who could probably get a job elsewhere easily. Why are you still at FB?

Maybe the position of VP of AI at other FAANG companies was already taken, and there were no other alternatives at the similar level of prestige and compensation in the job market.

>>similar level of prestige

Assuming this isn't sarcasm, this is how the word prestige is defined - "denoting something that arouses widespread respect or admiration".

Facebook lied to ad buyers (customers) about video views

https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/17/17989712/facebook-inaccu...

Facebook lied to users about their spying app

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/03/02/facebook-...

Facebook lied to regulators about its ability to combine user data

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/7/18215143/facebook-whatsapp...

Facebook lied to journalists about the CA issue

https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/qv777x/facebook-lied-to-j...

They don't mind doing mood manipulation experiments

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/every...

They have absolutely no qualms stooping low enough to steal money from kids

https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/facebook-friendly-fr...

Based on the definition above, there is only one prestigious job left at Facebook. Whistle-blower.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s challenging to make a feature treat users with respect then maybe you shouldn’t have built the feature in the first place? It’s like designing a dangerous rollercoaster with no concern for safety, and then when people start dying complaining about how hard it was to make it safe. Nasty, unethical, criminal and morally bankrupt company. There are no other words to describe it.

Did you read the article? If you read between the lines is really tells you what they think of user's privacy. Apparently their systems was never designed to allow deletion of data, and they had to do investigations just to figure out what the different teams were doing with it. There is no way they found everything. If I was investing a a GDPR complaint, this article contains a lot of information that would be usefu…

I think you are either completely unaware of the whole situation with Facebook and their business model or you have ulterior motives.

When I read between the lines I see just a nasty attempt at PR to keep naive users & clueless regulators happy by offering the illusion of choice and control over your data.

The reality is that they designed malicious infrastructure akin to a spyware’s command and control center (but at scale, while the other spyware usually gets by with brittle PHP scripts dropped on a hacked shared host) and are now offering you tools to (supposedly) opt-out from a threat they created in the first place.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? If you read between the lines is really tells you what they think of user's privacy. Apparently their systems was never designed to allow deletion of data, and they had to do investigations just to figure out what the different teams were doing with it. There is no way they found everything. If I was investing a a GDPR complaint, this article contains a lot of information that would be usefu…

I think you are either completely unaware of the whole situation with Facebook and their business model or you have ulterior motives. When I read between the lines I see just a nasty attempt at PR to keep naive users & clueless regulators happy by offering the illusion of choice and control over your data. The reality is that they designed malicious infrastructure akin to a spyware’s command and control center (but a…

I don't know why you suggest I'm unaware. I'm completely in agreement with you.

You might have thought I was making excuses for them. On the contrary, they clearly never designed a system to delete data because the mere idea of actually deleting information associated with a user is so alien to them that they never even thought of it.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

#137

For Android, privacytools.io advises Blokada. It is an app that runs a sort of local pihole which enables it to block trackers in any app, not just a web browser. I don’t have an android phone myself, but I was very impressed when I tried it out on someone else’s. Is there a similar for iOS that anyone is aware of?

DNSCloak ( https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dnscloak-secure-dns-client/id1... ) seems to do the job.

Thanks! I have been trying it out and it seems to work well.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

#138
post #2

This is the clear history feature that was announced a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16969325 . See also the engineering post that explains some of the challenges in implementing this: https://engineering.fb.com/data-infrastructure/off-facebook-...

Since no one else has asked yet: You seem like a nice guy who could probably get a job elsewhere easily. Why are you still at FB?

I am at FB completely by choice as I don't need to work any longer. FB is an amazing company - best talent I have ever worked with combined with some of the most interesting challenges I have ever faced. And it gives you the means and autonomy to pursue really bold projects, like PyTorch. Yes it made some serious mistakes but it's genuinely trying to solve them. I know me just saying it won't convince you that it's the case, would be hard not to be skeptical given the press and the way it's portrayed on HN, but on the inside it's pretty clear.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

#139
post #99
post #2

This is the clear history feature that was announced a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16969325 . See also the engineering post that explains some of the challenges in implementing this: https://engineering.fb.com/data-infrastructure/off-facebook-...

This is at best disingenuous - you are a VP at facebook and should preface a comment that tries to claim FB is respecting people's privacy with a comment to the effect of: "I am a VP at Facebook and my income is based on how effectively we track and abuse the privacy of the general public, whether or not they are user's or have agreed to any contract with my employer"

I do add a disclaimer when I express an opinion. I didn't mean to imply anything here, I was just really pointing people to extra information. But I guess if that came across differently, it would have been safer to add the disclaimer anyway.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are either completely unaware of the whole situation with Facebook and their business model or you have ulterior motives. When I read between the lines I see just a nasty attempt at PR to keep naive users & clueless regulators happy by offering the illusion of choice and control over your data. The reality is that they designed malicious infrastructure akin to a spyware’s command and control center (but a…

I don't know why you suggest I'm unaware. I'm completely in agreement with you. You might have thought I was making excuses for them. On the contrary, they clearly never designed a system to delete data because the mere idea of actually deleting information associated with a user is so alien to them that they never even thought of it.

Apologies - I guess I was in the wrong state of mind when I read it yesterday as now it appears completely clear what you meant.
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