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Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by barrkel »

tomxor wrote: post #106

This is such a bad article, I half suspect it's astroturfing and food intended for Apple apologists. It's focused on a single small part of the problem and unnecessarily misrepresented it. As a reminder of the broader picture: Apple has a strong anti-repair stance, they have lobbied for this [1], have engaged in broad, deceptive strategies to remove 3rd party repair options, by confiscating legally refurbished hardwa…

A lot of Apple defenders have the perspective that Apple isn't selling you a thing (i.e. an object), it's selling you an experience (a fashion object, a lifestyle brand). From this perspective, if Apple doesn't aggressively attack people who don't align with the brand values, they damage the brand.

People who want to economize on parts and labour damage the brand. They're poor people, or at least people not wealthy enough not to care about these things; they shouldn't be associated with the Apple brand. Apple does not aim at the bottom of the market.

People who want open hardware that they can poke at damage the brand. Apple sells an integrated, hassle-free experience. An open market is chaotic and uncontrolled, and antithetical to the brand promise.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by ReptileMan »

nfellaby wrote: post #120
tomxor wrote: post #106

This is such a bad article, I half suspect it's astroturfing and food intended for Apple apologists. It's focused on a single small part of the problem and unnecessarily misrepresented it. As a reminder of the broader picture: Apple has a strong anti-repair stance, they have lobbied for this [1], have engaged in broad, deceptive strategies to remove 3rd party repair options, by confiscating legally refurbished hardwa…

This is the real issue. Personally, I've replaced many components on iPhones through the ages. Often the replacement parts I've ordered have been sub-standard and that was the risk I've accepted as I was purchasing from unknown sellers. Sometimes the parts have been on par with the original components and I've been very pleased with my purchase. The right to repair should be protected. When I am no longer able to fix…

You stopped "owning" your device the monent you accepted locked bootloader and no root. It is weird that it is the battery replacement that triggered that feeling.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by briandear »

hobofan wrote: post #101
auggierose wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, running an Apple OS without an Apple ID doesn't make any sense.

I haven't had any of those problems before Mojave. No Facetime bugging me, updates were no problem, and there was an easy terminal command to turn off the disk space notification.

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/254485/silencing-y...

Literally 12 seconds worth of Google.

FaceTime issue: FaceTime menu > Turn FaceTime Off

Software update without Apple ID:

https://www.macworld.com/article/3269337/how-to-install-maco...

It feels that people just love to complain about and hate on Apple. I get it, it’s trendy. But a good portion of the complaints are either disingenuous or an acute case of FTFM.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by briandear »

kuzehanka wrote: post #61
GeekyBear wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legitimate parts that fail quality control testing in China have a way of "falling off the truck" onto the loading dock of the fulfillment center used by unscrupulous third party vendors instead of being destroyed.

Cool story. But when I get a replacement battery pulled from a brand new iphone with the 3rd party repairer providing warranty on their work, I still have no way to make that message go away other than to pay Apple's extortion fees.

Why would a repair shop rip a battery from a brand new phone to sell the battery to you? They ruin a new phone to sell you a $20 replacement battery? Now what will they put into the formerly new phone without a battery? Third party junk that some unsuspecting buyer is going to buy thinking it’s a “new” phone?

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by throwaway808080 »

ReptileMan wrote: post #132
nfellaby wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the real issue. Personally, I've replaced many components on iPhones through the ages. Often the replacement parts I've ordered have been sub-standard and that was the risk I've accepted as I was purchasing from unknown sellers. Sometimes the parts have been on par with the original components and I've been very pleased with my purchase. The right to repair should be protected. When I am no longer able to fix…

You stopped "owning" your device the monent you accepted locked bootloader and no root. It is weird that it is the battery replacement that triggered that feeling.

It’s not about owning. It’s having trust in the device that it will do what it says it will. Buying from Apple there is generally a trust that the device meet’s Apple’s bar and hasn’t been tempered with.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by rtkwe »

dymk wrote: post #68
Despegar wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Rather, it's a warning in the "battery health" section basically saying "we don't know if your battery is any good, you might need to get it replaced". That's not what the message is. It's really weird that everyone keeps getting this wrong given there's a screenshot of it in the iFixit post. https://valkyrie.cdn.ifixit.com/media/2019/08/07170827/iphon...

I don’t know who’s taking crazy pills, but the GP paraphrasing seems perfectly reasonable given your screenshot

The damning part is that even if the repair place uses an actual Apple battery with all the circuitry exactly the same the phone treats it as a complete unknown because it hasn't been approved by Apple and authenticated. If I open up two identical iPhones and swap the batteries I shouldn't have diminished functionality, the phone should still fully report everything it knows about the battery health.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by rtkwe »

abalone wrote: post #16

> Now, I’m not sure that Apple has thus far triggered that kill switch. But they can do so at any time. This is just scaremongering. Apple has not, in fact, triggered a "kill switch" or "locked" anyone out of using a 3rd party battery. All it does is display a message that it's not a genuine Apple part. Deep in the battery settings. That's it. Remember that old iPhones are frequently resold. You're going to want to k…

> Remember that old iPhones are frequently resold. You're going to want to know if it has OEM parts.

That's something they could display without disabling the entire battery monitoring screen though. They could do that for every single part of the phone but instead they remove functionality if you don't do things the apple approved way. If I open two identical iPhones and swap their batteries there shouldn't be any degradation in the phone but Apple has decided there should be and that I can't see the battery info any more under any circumstances unless I go through them.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by Dylan16807 »

pranau wrote: post #116
auggierose wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, running an Apple OS without an Apple ID doesn't make any sense.

If you had made the same statement but replaced Apple with Google or Microsoft, your comment would have been downvoted to death already. You shouldn't need an online ID to use a laptop. It makes perfect sense to use it without any sort of manufacturer provided profile.

Are you interpreting that comment as supportive of Apple? I'm not...

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by Dylan16807 »

wingspar wrote: post #119
thedevilslawyer wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except where the error is still displayed even when you transfer in an apple original battery from another phone.

As per the iFixit report, the Apple chip that identifies it as an 'Apple Battery' can be moved to another battery from any/dubious source. Given this, how can software KNOW that it's truly an Apple original battery. Therefore, Apple is only 'vouching' for the battery health of batteries replaced via a confirmed 'chain-of-custody'. Could the message allow the health to be shown anyway? Sure... but it's not like a mess…

> As per the iFixit report, the Apple chip that identifies it as an 'Apple Battery' can be moved to another battery from any/dubious source. Given this, how can software KNOW that it's truly an Apple original battery.

Doesn't that work against your argument? If you put in the effort to move the chip, the phone will never know you replaced the battery at all.

It's no riskier to trust the chip post-replacement than it is to trust the chip any other day of the year.

Re: Rotten Apple: Right to Repair Roundup

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Post by [deleted] »

ChickeNES wrote: post #21
abalone wrote: post #16

> Now, I’m not sure that Apple has thus far triggered that kill switch. But they can do so at any time. This is just scaremongering. Apple has not, in fact, triggered a "kill switch" or "locked" anyone out of using a 3rd party battery. All it does is display a message that it's not a genuine Apple part. Deep in the battery settings. That's it. Remember that old iPhones are frequently resold. You're going to want to k…

> Remember that old iPhones are frequently resold. You're going to want to know if it has OEM parts. I think this is lost on the HN audience. There's a lot of people out there being scammed by counterfeit parts, recycled parts, shoddy repair jobs, and straight up cobbled together FrankenPhones. Not to mention the danger in using lithium batteries from unknown provenance.

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