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Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Last time I remember having any easy access was the Galaxy S3. Pop open the back, swap battery. Done. I would even carry spares when on vacation if I needed some extra juice.

Galaxy S5 has fully replaceable batteries as well. As a phone, I'd say it still holds up rather well as a lower end mid-range phone today. I'm holding onto it until Librem Phone comes out, which also has a replaceable battery. Having phones with non-replaceable batteries just seems incredibly wasteful to me, so I won't ever buy one on general principle.

Your comment pretty much dismisses the validity of Apple being anti-competitive. You don’t like their product, thus you bought an alternative that meets your needs. If Apple was anti-competitive, you wouldn’t be able to buy an alternative.

Apple has a monopoly for Apple phones, but that isn’t a monopoly. If you buy an Apple product, you are agreeing to buy an Apple product with all that entails. If you want a user replaceable battery, you buy a different phone. Apple isn’t using market dominance to prevent you from buying alternatives. If Apple owned a majority of the battery market and created a monopoly on batteries, that’s different than them controlling the batteries in their own product. Apple’s actions don’t have any bearing on someone’s ability to buy a repair a phone — just the ability to buy and repair an Apple phone.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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I'm having a very hard time following your logic: Apple charges lots of money on commodity parts because they don't want users getting, as you say, "f'ed over" There is a healthy after market ecosystem primarily because apple charges so much. Not the other way around. Furthermore, in the video on the ifixit site, the blogger replaced the battery with a genuine secondhand apple battery and it would not recognize it. T…

I think we are seeing the predatory behavior of scammers here. For example, you are claiming that just attaching a chip from an old apple battery to a new one should read as genuine in the phone. That is a total scam. The detection feature is tied to a chip, not to the cell chemistry itself. If chips from old iphone batteries are all it takes to show a scam battery is genuine, given the high volume of old batteries,…

Show a warning, click ignore and be happy. Display battery information regardless.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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I think this makes total sense for batteries. Batteries are a hazard, and a lot of bad ones are out there. Prices for swap came down quite a bunch, so I think this is fine. Apple is taking ownership about exploding phones and other problems. This is the reason why it gets more and more locked down. I once bought a MacBook with weirdass problems. Turned out to be a bad data cable used by someone. Chips are still swapp…

But it does this even with their own batteries. You can have a legit iPhone and a legit iPhone battery installed and it will have this issue occur.

This is not "taking ownership" in the way you intended, but it is demonstrating ownership.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Apple makes increasingly disappointing products. I recently was looking at replacing my iPhone 7 Plus, but around $900 would get the next baseline model, for no real tangible benefits, and some tangible downsides like no zoom lens and being forced to use the face scanning. Sorry, I'll replace my battery and cracked screen and wait a couple more years, thanks.

You aren’t forced to use face scanning.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Despite all the HN comments, Apple's made an absolute killing and charges FAR FAR higher margins for their products in part because they design them so normal people don't get totally f'd over. And yes, the scam of a trash after market battery to make the iphone battery life look good is well known. And guess how many parents and grandparents then go to apple to "fix" something that has nothing to do with Apple? The…

I purchased a few iFixit iphone batteries and was less than impressed with their performance. I think what iFixit is doing is awesome, and I am a huge fan of them. I used their iMac kit to put an SSD in my family iMac and it made the job simple. The iPhone 5s/and iPhone 6 plus batteries I bought from them are trash though, and they lasted a few months before degrading severely. I took those same phones to apple and the batteries were markedly better.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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iFixit is misrepresenting Apple to market its tool sales business. This is what they do.

Care to set the record straight? What's actually going on if not what they're presenting?

They're making an assumption about intent. Unless you can prove you're part of the Apple team responsible for this hardware behavior, you're just going to be doing the same.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Theoretically they could properly detect a crappy replacement too by doing some basic math to determine approximate capacity. I'm not sure of the situation on iOS but on Android tools like Accubattery do a decent job of this. As such, even requiring an Apple original battery would be poor practice in my opinion.

> Theoretically they could properly detect a crappy replacement too by doing some basic math to determine approximate capacity sigh If such "basic math" exists, can someone please point me to it? Estimating capacity on a fully known, completely characterized cell is the bane of my existence. Basic math that can help estimate approximate capacity of an unknown replacement battery- that's a billion dollar startup worth…

Please explain, what exactly are you doing that the standard look at the charge curve and compare with battery voltage and use known charge current and time won't solve? This is pretty much how all the battery capacity estimators work to my knowledge.

As long as the chemistry is known it should hold true, sure, you'll get some variation based on load but you should be able to account for that pretty with some testing or careful probing at minimal current draw.

Accubattery seems to give a pretty good approximation using just this information at least, would definitely be sufficient for detecting cells that were fraudulent by more than 10-20%. If you want higher accuracy, yeah I'm sure things could get extremely involved, but many of the fraudulent batteries are 25-50% of the expected capacity.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Google'a shit is more easily mitigated if you're smart and want an only slightly less great browsing experience

Google's phones track you in several ways that aren't through a browser. Want to see every place you've ever visited since you got your Android phone? Google has it and you can see it in your dashboard. Google keeps location tracking a secret from you until you view your data, then once you go look at it, they start sending you monthly summaries of your travels. Any don't get me started on the facial recognition in P…

You can turn off Location History (and may other things) here: https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols

It's not a secret and I believe you have to opt in at some point.

I believe you can turn off facial recognition in Photos' settings.

Disclaimer: I am a Google employee, my opinions are my own.

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