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Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Post by gcbw2 »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #115
sp332 wrote: post #111

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Don't you need probable cause to get a warrant? This might be different in Europe actually... but it seems a bit thin.

In Europe, with the GDPR, you can just ask the company what they have on you.

"Hey company in shenzen that i suspect is a shady front to illegal data mining business, do you have any data on me? i'm john doe, living at 123 naive st #42, phone number 555-555-555, national registry number 1234556. You can reply to me on this same email address. thank you. PS: maybe i filled this in an webform, so please do not attach this new info to all the traffic/behaviour you previously collected from your TV on this same IP address"

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Post by ivelostn »

patentatt wrote: post #80
SamuelAdams wrote: post #60

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It's a great idea, but companies are building products that no one wants. Here's a few ideas of products / services / suites of items I would actually buy for my home: - Machine to completely do my dishes. End to end. It puts them from the sink to the dishwasher. Runs the dishwasher. Takes them out of the dishwasher and puts them in the cabinet. I do not care if this takes 5 hours - it can run overnight. I just don't…

Kind of an aside, but I hope such a virtual dog sitter never comes to fruition for the sake of your dog. Dogs shouldn’t be alone for that long!

The dogs not alone. It has the robot. The robot could let you peer in remotely and say hi. The robot could comfort your dog for you while you’re away. The robot is there for your dog while you can’t be. The robot could 3D print dog friendly toys for it and feed it too.

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Post by ripdog »

godelski wrote: post #130
garmaine wrote: post #123

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It is encrypted on the device. How are you going to get access to it?

My confusion is that I think there has to be a command that is encryptThisDataToBeSent(data). Can't you just look at data? Before it is encrypted? Or is data encrypted at all times? But if that's true, then the difference of sending encrypted data is kinda moot.

If you can root the device and replace the firmware, sure. Or do extremely difficult hardmodding to tap the data buses, perhaps.

But both of those approaches are very difficult and resource-intensive. The first requires many, many hours of reverse engineering to find a security hole which allows you to write unsigned firmware to the device (or find a way to sign your own firmware and then upload it), then hack the firmware to do your snooping (good luck if the firmware updates are encrypted!).

The second is so fiddly and awkward, I've never heard of anyone actually doing it.

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Post by bityard »

patentatt wrote: post #80
SamuelAdams wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a great idea, but companies are building products that no one wants. Here's a few ideas of products / services / suites of items I would actually buy for my home: - Machine to completely do my dishes. End to end. It puts them from the sink to the dishwasher. Runs the dishwasher. Takes them out of the dishwasher and puts them in the cabinet. I do not care if this takes 5 hours - it can run overnight. I just don't…

Kind of an aside, but I hope such a virtual dog sitter never comes to fruition for the sake of your dog. Dogs shouldn’t be alone for that long!

Agree. Dogs need daily, consistent companionship. If you can't give that to them, you shouldn't have a dog.

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Post by _underfl0w_ »

nfellaby wrote: post #90
jon_richards wrote: post #61

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Yeah, you know it's going to be expensive when you have to call and ask for a quote. It's funny that even the expensive options haven't figured out how to make a quiet electric motor. If you don't mind me asking, how much did yours end up costing per window? Someone else mentioned the ikea shades coming out in October, so I might wait and see how those are. Potentially much cheaper, but no slatted blind effect, so th…

Just a thought about a potential mechanism, off the top of my head (which I'm sure has many issues). Opening blinds is generally a morning thing, and ideally would want to be the quiet option if you could only have one option which was quiet (theoretically speaking). What if the electric motor drove the blinds down by pulling a counter weight. That way in the morning to open the blinds it would only need to release t…

A similar effect could be achieved by replacing gravity/counterweights with a simple spring or hydraulic cylinder. My standing desk operates similarly to assist in raising it.

We may be on to something here...

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Post by dmix »

dmix wrote: post #85
andrenatalbr wrote: post #21

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The Web of Things gateway contains an addon for offline voice control. Search for it in the addons page. You just need to plug an usb microphone to it.

This sounds interesting but I’m curious if needs to be marketed differently or use some better analogies, since it wasn’t super obvious what it did from the homeless. I presume it’s hard to explain how it fits into the stack when it does a lot of generic IoT sounding stuff.

s/homeless/homepage

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Post by _underfl0w_ »

sandGorgon wrote: post #125

Any reason Mozilla is not picking up and supporting one of the DD-WRT/OpenWRT projects ? They are hugely popular, have a huge userbase and are well supported by a lot of hardware (most TP-Link, Linksys, etc).

This was my question as well. Why fork? Why reinvent those parts of the wheel? Good luck reaching device compatibility parity...

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Post by velosol »

sdiepend wrote: post #56
icebraining wrote: post #23

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HomeAssistant can do all that (using Snips for offline voice recognition).

Any articles/tutorials on this?

If you want to use HASS - there's a couple ways to go about it assuming you have an RPi. Either install Home Assistant and add snips.ai [1] or install snips and add HASS [2]. Looks like the Gateway can also do this [3].

[1]: https://www.home-assistant.io/components/snips/ [2]: https://docs.snips.ai/articles/raspberrypi/home-assistant [3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20536484

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Post by detaro »

lonelappde wrote: post #121
doctorpangloss wrote: post #107

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> who are already overcharging me for non-repairable planned-obsolescence-ridden products, to overcharge me a bit more... NAS devices and networked home speakers are incredibly competitive categories in the IoT space, and as anyone who has actually owned e.g. a Sonos knows, you listen to a lot more music and they've supported the same 12 year old hardware throughout its lifespan.

Why are Sonos speakers instead of simply receivers that your speakers plug in to?

They aren't. Both types of devices exist. (But apparently many people like all-in-one speakers instead of buying multiple separate bits and connecting them)
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