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Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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I mean this type of photography is a style right? Like the more people do it the more cliched it will get and then it will go out of style right? Every generation wants to do something new.

> Every generation wants to do something new.

Is it "new" when literally thousands of people took the same pic from the same angle ? It's herd mentality 101 if you ask me

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Some months back when this was posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17944934 , I thought about doing a POC about this topic. You could scrap a lot about tourist data from state/regional/communal websites and make travel suggestion for the least tourist plagued locations in a given area. The problem in the long run is the more successfull you are, the worse the experience will be, in short term tourism/vacation…

That would probably be better on tourist economies if it took off and had influence at least - a more even level of flow as tourists choose between their preferences is more sustainable and less likely to have nasty "invested to handle the flow better and they are gone" shocks.

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Indirectly related, living in the UK there seems to be a growing culture of 'fuck you' in this country. Not a lack of etiquette or the trivial please and thank-you, those I can do without, you can still be sweary and abrupt and still considerate, I mean a fundamental selfishness. It seems to be bigger among younger people, 20s to 30s, and I will emphasize that it's uncommon and that the great majority of people at an…

Damn, I've noticed it too. At these point I feel compelled to remember that quote from Socrates about how the kids are all rude and disrespectful these days. So maybe nothing ever changes and we're just getting old and grumpy. But your comment definitely rings true. It's something hard to pin down but I notice it all the time.

> At these point I feel compelled to remember that quote from Socrates about how the kids are all rude and disrespectful these days. So maybe nothing ever changes and we're just getting old and grumpy.

It's this. Sorry to break it to you. People also change their behavior to you based on your age. As a single example, as you age and slow down, younger, faster folks will be more frequently annoyed with having to dodge past you on the sidewalk, which will predispose them to be more rude around you in general. It's a whole complicated host of things, and as you say, it's been true since the beginning of time.

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Took my teenage sons to Paris for their first trip abroad last week. Even they were shaking their heads at the ridiculous lengths to which people were going for a selfish pic: — wearing wedding dresses into the Sacré Cœur and marching past all the no-photo signs to the altar for a fake I-got-married-here pic — posing unnaturally with rapid-change outfits and accessories in the middle of street traffic on the Pont d’I…

> wearing wedding dresses into the Sacré Cœur and marching past all the no-photo signs to the altar for a fake I-got-married-here pic

I was hiking to a remote castle recently, 30 min drive + mud roads remote, I got there and saw a parked car (there is no parking spots btw), immediately thought "eh, you got to be lazy to come here by car, half the fun is the walk". Five min later I stumbled upon a couple in suit/wedding dress and two photographers, I think I physically cringed at the sight.

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We need to make it so cringe to behave like this that people will stop doing it naturally to distance themselves from those people . I already look down on people like this myself. People in the West do not utilize societal shaming enough I feel, so much focus on individuality that people are forced to tolerate that some people are terrible humans because otherwise they'll be on the side of NAZIS or whatever for want…

> People in the West do not utilize societal shaming enough I feel, Critical point. Only when people start to think about this topic, they'll realize that shaming was invented for a reason, and a great reason: it works. It kept order into civilizations for millennia.

Really that is a very idealized version of social shaming. It sucks and hasn't been focused where there is any actual utility but instead the stupidest fucking most injust things. A young woman has a naked body under her clothes! Shame and forced resignation from pagents regardless of source. The twisted values of shame culture include major "not unless you get caught" fundamentally. To the point of absurdities where in Japan it is shameful to be identified drunk despite getting smashed being the company norm. And that is before getting into the sociopaths behind these social order ideals.

Really fuck social order and fuck social shaming - may they die and stay dead and buried and we have to deal with petty problems instead of this bullshit.

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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I used to volunteer at a heritage railway in Northern Ireland. We had several old restored trains and we went to great lengths to make the station areas look authentically old. Naturally photographers loved it. Most photographers were Okay and respected the rules, but some some just refused and couldn't handle being called out. For example one rule was do not get in train cabs, unless by prior arrangement - which inv…

Indirectly related, living in the UK there seems to be a growing culture of 'fuck you' in this country. Not a lack of etiquette or the trivial please and thank-you, those I can do without, you can still be sweary and abrupt and still considerate, I mean a fundamental selfishness. It seems to be bigger among younger people, 20s to 30s, and I will emphasize that it's uncommon and that the great majority of people at an…

This has been a perpetual complaint across human history. Every older generation thinks the younger generation is like this.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20171003-proof-that-peo...

> “We defy anyone who goes about with his eyes open to deny that there is, as never before, an attitude on the part of young folk which is best described as grossly thoughtless, rude, and utterly selfish.” - 1925

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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I don’t really get it. I studied film and therefore had to talk to many places about permissions (often without beeing able to pay any compensation) – usually just asking nicely and explaining whatbyou want can get you a long way. Sometimes people will even come on their day off and help you out. This is about mutual respect: if anyone takes the time and effort to open a place for people with cameras, if what you wan…

See also street photography, where just asking people if it's ok to take their photo makes life nicer and easier. Photographers are mostly allowed to take photos of people in the street, but some of them can be pretty obnoxious about it.

Bruce Gilden springs to mind when you mention "obnoxious" photographers. His technique is to just shove a camera in somebody's face and take the shot. Often there's a flash involved too. Watching a YouTube video of him doing his thing on the streets of NY was both quite horrifying and very, very cringey. I'm genuinely surprised nobody hit him yet.

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Flyover suburbanite here: I never understood travel culture, but I've seen it contribute to depression in my friends and neighbors because they somehow have been convinced that a meaningful life requires global travel, but find it difficult with mortgages and children. I view travel culture as very toxic as a result. "I just want to see the world" I hear, a yearning for an experience that, when pursued, might tempora…

> I never understood travel culture, but I've seen it contribute to depression in my friends and neighbors because they somehow have been convinced that a meaningful life requires global travel ... I view travel culture as very toxic Sure, traveling just to achieve certain bragging rights is superficial and silly, but that doesn't mean travel itself isn't valuable. Similarly, reading books just to say you've read the…

> Traveling allows you to viscerally see how people live and value things differently from you. There is much to be gained from it if you do it for the right reasons.

Yes, they also have tours to help you 'experience' the life of a local, like going through a favela in Rio. Anedoctal, but from what I've seen it can be really offensive to people on those places, because it works pretty much like a safari.

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