How is it like to be a dev in Iran • Hacker News Board

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by azernik » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:34 AM UTC

smnrchrds wrote: post #45

Thaxll wrote: post #37

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Every US companies must block Iran, it's not Google it's everyone. https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/programs/... https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Sanctions/Page... 630. Is the provision or delivery of goods or services to an Iranian counterparty after November 4, 2018 allowed? The wind-down period has ended and the United States intends to fully enforce the sanctions that have come back…

> Every US companies must block Iran, This does not seem correct. Here is a short non-comprehensive list of services by US companies not blocked in Iran. The list is big enough, and the companies involved large and legally-savvy enough, that this cannot be an oversight. * Gmail, Yahoo Mail, Outlook * Google Maps, Waze (quite popular right now in Iran too!) * Google Drive, Dropbox, OneDrive * Github * Google Keep * Go…

Waze is Israeli. Which is actually more interesting.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by kaveh_h » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:36 AM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #27

Its an ongoing war. Just without bullets. My concern is that people will see him mention things like censorship and for them that will justify an invasion that results in mass killing and destruction. Does anyone know exactly what sort of actual submission they are looking for from Iran? I really don't believe its about nuclear development. I hope that any Iranians who can get out will get out.

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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by h0l0cube » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:38 AM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #25

h0l0cube wrote: post #16

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> it's working The last deal for de-nuclearization already worked, but it was inexplicably terminated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal_framework

Explications: supporting war in Yemen, Al Assad, Hezbollah, etc.

And yet none of those explications were cited by Trump. They would seem like obvious rhetorical wins for populist support of the fight against terrorism. A more honest explanation would have to ask what the US government stands to gain from renewed sanctions of Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_...

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by kaveh_h » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:40 AM UTC

mars4rp wrote: post #72

ilaksh wrote: post #59

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Do you think it is a partisan issue or do you think it has to do with long term military strategy such as the Strait and fossil fuels? My guess would be they essentially want total military submission, something like a base inside the country.

AIPAC has a great influence in both parties. And don't forget the military industrial complex and its influence to break the peace and sell more weapons.

AIPAC has influence because politicians wants perception of an ally to ”defend” and so have better support for their policies. This is not about real genuine support for Israel.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:45 AM UTC

throwaway-klsdj wrote: post #96

throwaway-ba9 wrote: post #74

Throwaway account for obvious reasons. I'm one of those operations people who have been required by a legal department to block access from sanctioned countries - I've literally written the HTTP rules to deny access to folks like the original author. I think about how the infrastructure I write and operate creates situations like these, and while I know I'm partly to blame, it's worth highlighting that this is a by-p…

This is a good point. To add a slightly different perspective, I work for a US company that routinely has to deal with cyber attacks by Iranian professionals, probably government sponsored. I think most people don't realize how incredibly serious this is, and how basically there is already a global war being fought. And the nations with the most freedom have the most to lose. Certainly most of the people in Iran are…

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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:46 AM UTC

Thaxll wrote: post #37

smnrchrds wrote: post #6

Dear devs, Please stop using Google Cloud Platform to host your projects. GCP blocks Iran, so by hosting any part of the app on GCP, your apps become impossible to access from Iran. Azure and AWS do not do this. This form of blocking is exclusive to GCP. After the switch to GCP, Iranians lost access to gitlab. Firefox Monitor is blocked in Iran for the same reason. The list goes on and on. I don't believe Mozilla tea…

Every US companies must block Iran, it's not Google it's everyone. https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/programs/... https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Sanctions/Page... 630. Is the provision or delivery of goods or services to an Iranian counterparty after November 4, 2018 allowed? The wind-down period has ended and the United States intends to fully enforce the sanctions that have come back…

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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by jefftk » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:46 AM UTC

azernik wrote: post #131

smnrchrds wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every US companies must block Iran, This does not seem correct. Here is a short non-comprehensive list of services by US companies not blocked in Iran. The list is big enough, and the companies involved large and legally-savvy enough, that this cannot be an oversight. * Gmail, Yahoo Mail, Outlook * Google Maps, Waze (quite popular right now in Iran too!) * Google Drive, Dropbox, OneDrive * Github * Google Keep * Go…

Waze is Israeli. Which is actually more interesting.

Google bought Waze in 2013.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by Ayesh » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:47 AM UTC

ALittleLight wrote: post #32

It seems like some of those obstacles are also opportunities. For example, the point about not being able to get a MasterCard or Visa and therefore not being able to use AWS makes me think there's probably an opportunity for a neat business renting out VMs to Iranians with whatever payment they can use. Of course AWS does a lot more than just rent VMs, but it seems like a relatively straightforward part of the busine…

There are many hosting rpov8ders who accept local payments. In Georgia (the country), you can even pay for hosting from the numerous kiosks on every corner of the street. Super market cash payments, Alipay, etc. It's a saturated market already.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by pm90 » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:48 AM UTC

_ptgt wrote: post #127

chewbaxxa wrote: post #120

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I doubt that US foreign policy has anything to do with the desire to “liberalize” a country. Unless you’re using that term in a different sense...

Liberal countries tend to befriend other liberal countries. So yes, even from a purely strategic perspective US foreign policy has a desire to liberalize other countries (in the classical sense of the term).

This is a hopelessly naive (and incorrect) assessment of the US relationship with Iran. The US literally deposed the first democratically elected head of government of Iran https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9...

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by stickfigure » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:51 AM UTC

h0l0cube wrote: post #119

throwaway-klsdj wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good point. To add a slightly different perspective, I work for a US company that routinely has to deal with cyber attacks by Iranian professionals, probably government sponsored. I think most people don't realize how incredibly serious this is, and how basically there is already a global war being fought. And the nations with the most freedom have the most to lose. Certainly most of the people in Iran are…

> I work for a US company that routinely has to deal with cyber attacks by Iranian professionals, probably government sponsored. It's hard to posit a moral high-ground here, when basically every state is actively seeking to undermine the others' cyber security, including the US. Stuxnet is one of the most formidable state-sponsored cyber security exploits, and that was targeted at Iran, it seems easy justification to…

I don't think Stuxnet forfeits the moral high ground. It was narrowly focused on attacking a specific military project. It's exactly the kind of thing I want the CIA (or whatever) doing, especially if the alternative is sending bombs.

State sponsored attempts to hack public network infrastructure fit into a totally different category. These are not the same.