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When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

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Re: When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

#131

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There are many who would argue that the willingness of a 18 year old to shoulder enormous financial responsibility to gain benefits largely denied to them by the way modern American society is constructed is not a real defense of the reasonableness of student loans.

There are lot's of other options than taking out massive loans. Community College for two years then transferring to a state school is still fairly affordable and won't impact the vast majority of individuals in post-college job searches/careers. It's just a lot less fun than going to a Big 10 school or the big name school.

Well-endowed private schools often offer more grant-based financial assistance than public schools, to the extent that the net cost for people who aren't upper income can be less than CC plus state school, as well as providing much better career prospects.

Re: When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

#132

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> actual children 18-year-olds are not "Actual children". > taking on huge burdens with little to no guidance I don't know if this is still the case but when I took out student loans nearly two decades ago I had to go through "entrance counseling" and "exit counseling", explaining very clearly and meticulously what I was getting myself into.

Sure, not legally, but relative to the life experience required to even somewhat competently navigate the complexities of the modern world, 18 year olds are functionally children. Your entire life to that point is school, for many people, sheltered from the harsher realities of life and finances. That entrance and exit loan counseling is a privilege for sure. I just graduated from a top 25 ranked private school and w…

> That entrance and exit loan counseling is a privilege for sure. I just graduated from a top 25 ranked private school and was never given loan counseling, and none of my peers were either.

Entrance/exit counseling is required for any federal student loan. Perhaps your loans weren’t federal?

> Meanwhile, the costs have gone up...I don’t know, at least 100% since you went to school? Shit, tuition went up 4 grand while I was still in school.

UCLA, one of the top schools in the world, costs $13k in tuition for the year for residents. Think about that, a world-class education for a little more than $1k/month.

Re: When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

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post #124

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I have spent a lot of time with a lot of families from wildly varied economic backgrounds. I'm not talking about people with brand new cars and 3,500 square foot houses (that would be a McMansion, I believe). I'm talking about Hondas and weather-worn Dodge pickups parked at a condo or a very modest house in a working class neighborhood. Sure, the keeping up with the Jones thing is happening with a lot of people. But…

But then, are some of these things really needed? I don't have a car, I have a basic smartphone, and old basic laptop, not much in terms of clothes, and I don't travel abroad for holidays (all this because I cannot afford something better without getting into debt) and I get by fine (and I'm 40). Most millenials have at least a car (even a cheap one) or nice phones with nice data plans, or clothes, or travel to nice…

Most Americans do not live in areas where you could reasonably live without a car, and transit-rich, walkable areas have much higher rents.

Re: When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

#134
“There’s no shame in having to do it. Women of color, trans folks, queer folks — these institutions aren’t built to love us and support us. These institutions don’t care about our well-being,”

Does anyone else think that stereotyping is getting out of hand?

There are so so many reasons you might need or not need money outside of your race or sexual orientation and vic-versa. Maybe you have cancer. Maybe your house burned down. etc. Assuming that a person of a certain identity group needs financial support seems like a ridiculous assumption.

The amount of focus we put on identity groups these today seems unhealthy.

I understand their point, but it’s just not even close to the first we should bring up when encouraging people to ask for help.

Re: When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

#135

Prostitution is certainly exploding. Anyone see appropriate reactions to this? How do we combat the loneliness epidemic that "social" media has caused? So many people raised on "social" media have no idea how to get to the kind of real, healthy relationship they want.

Don't really follow your logic here, you're conflating prostitution and a "loneliness epidemic"? Prostitution is as old as civilization itself. Older, probably. I don't see rising prostitution as indicative of anything other than 'poor people are low on options'

seems obvious to me. Lonely people are more likely to pay for prostitution.

Loneliness is increasing.

So if true, you expect prostitution to go up.

Re: When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

#136

“There’s no shame in having to do it. Women of color, trans folks, queer folks — these institutions aren’t built to love us and support us. These institutions don’t care about our well-being,” Does anyone else think that stereotyping is getting out of hand? There are so so many reasons you might need or not need money outside of your race or sexual orientation and vic-versa. Maybe you have cancer. Maybe your house bu…

Why don't you address the second half of the text you quoted?

Do you think they are wrong about the institutions they are talking about?

Re: When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

#137

“There’s no shame in having to do it. Women of color, trans folks, queer folks — these institutions aren’t built to love us and support us. These institutions don’t care about our well-being,” Does anyone else think that stereotyping is getting out of hand? There are so so many reasons you might need or not need money outside of your race or sexual orientation and vic-versa. Maybe you have cancer. Maybe your house bu…

Yeah, highly marginalized people have historicaly been well accepted in excisting support groups, particularly religious and local political ones.

Re: When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

#138
post #33

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Do you think welfare state actually distributes funds to whoever needs them? They are giving funds away to everyone who can check x boxes on a form, no one in the government ever verifies if the person actually needs the money, like a charity would do.

Like some charities would do. If you give charity to someone on gofundme, what charity ever verifies if the person actually needs the money?

You verify it when you select where to give your money. Otherwise they are forcefully taken from you and distributed, and the most you can say about it is filling a ballot every two years.

Re: When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

#139

“There’s no shame in having to do it. Women of color, trans folks, queer folks — these institutions aren’t built to love us and support us. These institutions don’t care about our well-being,” Does anyone else think that stereotyping is getting out of hand? There are so so many reasons you might need or not need money outside of your race or sexual orientation and vic-versa. Maybe you have cancer. Maybe your house bu…

It isn't stereotyping, it is identity-politics.

Re: When bills pile up, young people turn to strangers on Venmo

#140

“There’s no shame in having to do it. Women of color, trans folks, queer folks — these institutions aren’t built to love us and support us. These institutions don’t care about our well-being,” Does anyone else think that stereotyping is getting out of hand? There are so so many reasons you might need or not need money outside of your race or sexual orientation and vic-versa. Maybe you have cancer. Maybe your house bu…

Why don't you address the second half of the text you quoted? Do you think they are wrong about the institutions they are talking about?

No. But those institutions don't care about -anyone-. Prefacing it with only weakens their case in my eyes. If you want my support for a cause, don't exclude me specifically.
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