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Re: Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

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Post by glenneroo »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #110
glenneroo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you try filing a bug report?

If I had filed a bug report I would have then had to gather logs and other such things to get the developers whatever information they need to fix it, and frankly I just don't care about helping them fix it enough to bother with that. I didn't choose it for these devices it was just the default. For my purposes it was just much easier to switch to a browser that wouldn't hang the system if it was left open for a few…

For the record I didn't downvote you, and I agree being honest doesn't deserve this response, but I would guess it's related to the high amount of devs here who are probably upset that you took the time to complain, yet don't want to take the time to at least check if a bug report exists. In some respects I agree, in that, if we want change the world and fight the "good fight" against the near-monopoly Google has on browsing, we need to band together and everyone do their part.

"All my Lubuntu devices" makes it sound like you have a lot of devices, thus increasing the likelihood of being easy to reproduce. There might even already exist a bug report which you could contribute to.

Re: Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

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Post by krapp »

kabwj wrote: post #129
krapp wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're implying only leftists would object to The Daily Stormer, you'll have to prove it.

The guy is obviously being facetious bringing up Daily Stormer, but I agree that it’s odd (or maybe not so much) that Mozilla only went with leftist outlets.

I don't see anything in the linked article showing that Mozilla only went with leftist outlets, much less an intention on their part to exclude non-leftist content as a matter of policy.

What I do see here is an assumption of a political agenda based on what may not even be an exhaustive list of Scroll's list of publisher sites, likely based on a single graphic on their frontpage which contains 12 logos, of which four companies were mentioned here. Their about page[0] shows 24. Are all of these "leftist" outlets? Is their only relevant commonality left-wing political ideology?

Show me some evidence of non-crazy non-leftist publishers being rejected by this partnership due to their ideology and I'll agree it's odd. Until then it just looks like confirmation bias to me.

[0]https://scroll.com/about

Re: Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

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Post by kabwj »

krapp wrote: post #132
kabwj wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy is obviously being facetious bringing up Daily Stormer, but I agree that it’s odd (or maybe not so much) that Mozilla only went with leftist outlets.

I don't see anything in the linked article showing that Mozilla only went with leftist outlets, much less an intention on their part to exclude non-leftist content as a matter of policy. What I do see here is an assumption of a political agenda based on what may not even be an exhaustive list of Scroll's list of publisher sites, likely based on a single graphic on their frontpage which contains 12 logos, of which fou…

I’ve looked at the list and literally all of them are leftist outlets. (Half of them belong to the Gizmodo family.) They are also all US-based.

There’s a clear bias and, honestly, trying to pretend it’s not there is doing a disservice.

Whether that’s because Scroll is not interested in serving right-wing customers or because right-wing outlets are not interested in participating in Scroll, that’s going to remain a mystery I guess.

Re: Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

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Post by swebs »

dewey wrote: post #12

In case you are also wondering how that works and what's supported. Based on https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/02/25/exploring... it looks like it's a collaboration with https://scroll.com/ and supports sites like: - Vox - The Atlantic - Buzzfeed - Gizmodo - Slate

Wow, all of those are considered far left sources according to mediabiasfactcheck.com, except for The Atlantic, which is only center left. I don't want to pay $5 a month to only hear one side of the story.

Re: Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

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Post by krapp »

kabwj wrote: post #133
krapp wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything in the linked article showing that Mozilla only went with leftist outlets, much less an intention on their part to exclude non-leftist content as a matter of policy. What I do see here is an assumption of a political agenda based on what may not even be an exhaustive list of Scroll's list of publisher sites, likely based on a single graphic on their frontpage which contains 12 logos, of which fou…

I’ve looked at the list and literally all of them are leftist outlets. (Half of them belong to the Gizmodo family.) They are also all US-based. There’s a clear bias and, honestly, trying to pretend it’s not there is doing a disservice. Whether that’s because Scroll is not interested in serving right-wing customers or because right-wing outlets are not interested in participating in Scroll, that’s going to remain a my…

People believe that all forms of media, including all social media, are controlled by a leftist agenda now. What does "literally leftist" even mean in this context?

How is Fatherly[0] a "literally leftist outlet?"

The fact that so many of them are Gizmodo sites only tells me that Gizmodo joined the platform and all of the others came as a package deal. That's not furthering an agenda, it's good business, given Gizmodo's popularity.

[0]https://www.fatherly.com/

Re: Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

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Post by swebs »

cglace wrote: post #52
achingtooth wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a bunch of publishers that have a leftist bias. I wonder if they'll give The Daily Wire, TYT, The Daily Stormer, etc the same opportunity or if it'll just be neoliberal outlets.

Well, my guess is they aren’t going to support a website with whom 99.99% of their users probably find reprehensible.

And yet Buzzfeed and a Gawker site are on that list...

Re: Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

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Post by kabwj »

krapp wrote: post #135
kabwj wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve looked at the list and literally all of them are leftist outlets. (Half of them belong to the Gizmodo family.) They are also all US-based. There’s a clear bias and, honestly, trying to pretend it’s not there is doing a disservice. Whether that’s because Scroll is not interested in serving right-wing customers or because right-wing outlets are not interested in participating in Scroll, that’s going to remain a my…

People believe that all forms of media, including all social media, are controlled by a leftist agenda now. What does "literally leftist" even mean in this context? How is Fatherly[0] a "literally leftist outlet?" The fact that so many of them are Gizmodo sites only tells me that Gizmodo joined the platform and all of the others came as a package deal. That's not furthering an agenda, it's good business, given Gizmod…

https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/politics/

And the Gizmodo deal is the most blatant one—there’s a blog about feminism, another about black power...

Anyway conversation over from me; there’s no way we could ever agree. :-)

Re: Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

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Post by pjc50 »

swebs wrote: post #134
dewey wrote: post #12

In case you are also wondering how that works and what's supported. Based on https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/02/25/exploring... it looks like it's a collaboration with https://scroll.com/ and supports sites like: - Vox - The Atlantic - Buzzfeed - Gizmodo - Slate

Wow, all of those are considered far left sources according to mediabiasfactcheck.com, except for The Atlantic, which is only center left. I don't want to pay $5 a month to only hear one side of the story.

And who is this mediabiasfactcheck.com? Is it bias all the way down? It appears to be some guy called Dave Van Zandt.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Media_Bias/Fact_Check

> "Until October 2018 MBFC rated China's Xinhua News Agency as "least biased",[205] but the rating has since changed to the somewhat more reasonable "left-center bias".[206] Xinhua has been criticized by Reporters Without Borders as being the "world's biggest propaganda agency",[207][208] and is regarded by Wikipedia as a source "to treat carefully""

Are you sure that Buzzfeed is to the left of the Communist Party official outlet?

Re: Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

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Post by dewey »

swebs wrote: post #134
dewey wrote: post #12

In case you are also wondering how that works and what's supported. Based on https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/02/25/exploring... it looks like it's a collaboration with https://scroll.com/ and supports sites like: - Vox - The Atlantic - Buzzfeed - Gizmodo - Slate

Wow, all of those are considered far left sources according to mediabiasfactcheck.com, except for The Atlantic, which is only center left. I don't want to pay $5 a month to only hear one side of the story.

What's up with all these comments pointing out that "they are all far left sources" suddenly? Did this thread get posted in some other community and there's an influx of these users now?

Re: Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

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Post by krastanov »

swebs wrote: post #134
dewey wrote: post #12

In case you are also wondering how that works and what's supported. Based on https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/02/25/exploring... it looks like it's a collaboration with https://scroll.com/ and supports sites like: - Vox - The Atlantic - Buzzfeed - Gizmodo - Slate

Wow, all of those are considered far left sources according to mediabiasfactcheck.com, except for The Atlantic, which is only center left. I don't want to pay $5 a month to only hear one side of the story.

"Left" and "far left" are usually considered two different things... And this website rates them simply as left. But the rest of your comment is very pertinent, I do hope they include a wider variety of sources.
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