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Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by xiphias2 » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 8:11 AM UTC

mempko wrote: post #117

reallydude wrote: post #105

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> getting rid of racism and gender inequality You can't get rid of racial and gender inequality, because we're inherently inequal to each other AND between the genders. It's in our DNA for the foreseeable future. We can diminish and mute it, at best. Diminishing returns has set in, while we ignore the more impactful issues.

this is literally the definition of racism and sexism.

,,Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another''

I like this definition.

People can be different, still having the same rights. They don't have to be ordered to have an equality operation defined on them.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by Scea91 » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:03 AM UTC

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #77

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #59

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Most poor people eat out with a fraction of the frequency of richer people. Its finding the time and motivation to burn the calories you consume that's the hard part.

And when not eating out, your fastest, most affordable option is processed foods, typically high in carbs and low in micronutrients. It's poor quality food. Regarding weight: it's more practical to limit calorie consumption than "burn" them through exercise. An hour of high-intensity cardio might only burn 200 calories. Eating less calories is easier. To get some volume, generous portions of fibrous vegetable help--…

> An hour of high-intensity cardio might only burn 200 calories.

The usual estimate for an average person is around 750 calories (https://www.livestrong.com/article/525798-how-many-calories-...)

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by zebrahead » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 5:55 PM UTC

save_ferris wrote: post #44

denverkarma wrote: post #29

It’s really hard for me not to be skeptical of a study that starts with the premise of measuring everyone else against “the most privileged group,” aka. white men, and then calling their metric “health justice.” I don’t know the stats off the top of my head but I’ve heard many times that men’s health issues are under-studies relative to women’s — ie breast cancer versus prostate cancer. I’ve also seen that mental hea…

Statistically speaking, white men are far and away the highest income earners in America. They are literally the most privileged group. Until 2008, 44 of 44 of US presidents were white men. White men dominate the Fortune 500, Wall Street, and leadership in the government. The paper also explicitly defined health justice as "a measure of the correlation of health outcomes with income, race/ethnicity and sex; and a sum…

Of the 7 chairs of the Federal Reserve since 1970, 5 were Jewish. The two gentiles collectively held the chair for 2 of those 49 years (1978-1979, and from 2018 onward). [1]

35% of the Forbes 400 are Jewish. [2]

"all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish." (2008) [3]

25% of Harvard students are Jewish (and 22% non-Jewish white) [4,5]

Jewish people are 2% of the US population, so they are over-represented in the listed groups by a factor of 10 or more (while non-Jewish whites are under-represented) - will you claim they are "literally the most privileged group"? Or are we allowed to apply such labels only to whites?

If, based on these facts, you were to make the same kind of statements about Jewish people as you so casually made about whites, do you think you'd also face no consequences?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve

[2] https://racehist.blogspot.com/2013/04/2012-forbes-400-by-eth...

[3] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein...

[4] https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/The-most-heavily-Jewish-US-co...

[5] https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by ericd » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 3:37 AM UTC

asark wrote: post #130

ericd wrote: post #125

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Rice, beans/lentils, basic veggies, eggs, milk, and chicken are all cheaper than the gross pizza you're describing, and much healthier. Throw in some spices, and it'll taste better, too.

Sure, the Costco pizza's just an example because I happened to be contemplating their calorie-including menu while standing in the grocery checkout line the other day. That's expensive junk food and happens to actually have some vitamins in it, hidden amongst the grease and fat and colon cancer. Check out pop tarts for some real WTF junk food cheapness. Neighborhood of 10,000 calories in a box of 48 "pastries" (24 2-…

Heh I mean I know it can be cheap. I think people just mean that the way many people do it isn't - McDonalds, Coke, chips, etc. But yeah, my freshman year roommate lived off of pop tarts for the whole year, since they were so cheap. He got saving on them down to an art, with coupons and timing bulk buys. He developed a pretty terrible chronic illness at some point later on, probably not related, but I've always wondered.

Good tip on the hotdog, that actually sounds kinda tasty.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by standardUser » Tue, Jul 09, 2019, 5:51 PM UTC

leetcrew wrote: post #85

standardUser wrote: post #49

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You may have missed other parts of this conversation where people point out how corporate interests have had great success in getting the government to promote and subsidize unhealthy foods (see: corn subsidies, the food pyramid, subpar food labelling, cheap junk food in public schools). The government (at various levels) should certainly have a role in ensuring a healthy population. But if nothing else, the governme…

> The government (at various levels) should certainly have a role in ensuring a healthy population. this is an opinion. to the extent that the government publishes nutrition recommendations or information, it should of course be accurate, but I really don't want to see what the government actively "ensuring" my health looks like.

Not allowing toxic chemicals in your food, for example, and establishing monitoring and penalties to accomplish that. Not allowing companies to lie about what's in the food they sell you, as another example.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by mempko » Tue, Jul 09, 2019, 11:01 PM UTC

xiphias2 wrote: post #131

mempko wrote: post #117

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this is literally the definition of racism and sexism.

,,Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another'' I like this definition. People can be different, still having the same rights. They don't have to be ordered to have an equality operation defined on them.

What are you worried about if they are considered equal?