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Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

For years I lived in FreeBSD world - servers and laptops. I was fighting the good fight and rationalised that having to only remember one location for network services was a win.

Then I took a second look. I realised that I was spending waaayy too much time getting the laptop usable (usually wifi) and not going enough using it

I bailed for ubuntu and I cannot remember where the network confit is and hate the GUI but I have stopped caring and I just do my work

Sometimes I feel dirty.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by lone_haxx0r »

Stratoscope wrote: post #117
RaleyField wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For what it's worth Not much in my book. The problem isn't Superfish, the problem is leadership that allowed it.

ThinkPad is under rather different leadership from Lenovo's consumer division that had the Superfish debacle on IdeaPads and the like. Sure, they are part of one corporation at the very top, but you don't have to go very far down the org chart before they split into separate teams and leadership. ThinkPad is from the old IBM teams in Raleigh and Yamato. Lenovo made their own laptops before buying IBM's personal compu…

I shouldn't have to learn about the internal structure of a company in order to buy a laptop without malware.

Maybe Lenovo should have thought about their internal structure and their brand reputation before installing malware on their laptops, or maybe not (because they don't care about clients like me, they care about the 90% of bosses that buy bulks of Thinkpads and don't know what firmware is). But anyway, it wasn't a rogue engineer who did it, it was Lenovo, and in my eyes: Lenovo ships malware.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by loxs »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #131

For years I lived in FreeBSD world - servers and laptops. I was fighting the good fight and rationalised that having to only remember one location for network services was a win. Then I took a second look. I realised that I was spending waaayy too much time getting the laptop usable (usually wifi) and not going enough using it I bailed for ubuntu and I cannot remember where the network confit is and hate the GUI but…

Did the same, but for me the transition was from Linux (various flavours) to Mac OS. Feel even dirtier :(

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by meruru »

dmm wrote: post #17
_x5tx wrote: post #13

I tried openbsd in my thinkpad x220. IDK if the processor only make a huge difference (mine being core i3 2.1ghz), but what I saw was a slow system experience, opening firefox for the first time (after boot) took a decade. I would experience slugishness everytime I closed a tab. And I was using cwm which is supposed to be even more lightweight than xfce4. I'm upgrading my motherboard to have the same processor as the…

Were you using a traditional spinning rust hard drive? OpenBSD is basically unusable without an SSD because of the filesystem they use.

There's nothing I want more out of my computing environment than being able to run OpenBSD with ZFS.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by sirn »

wrycoder wrote: post #55
dijit wrote: post #2

I like openbsd. I like their attitude (even if many don’t) I like what they’ve given to the UNIX-likes, and what they strip away due to complexity (removal of Bluetooth) or lack of decent UX (wpa_supplicant), or just potential issues (removal of Hyperthreading) I know it’s probably controversial to mention it; but I’m also glad they didn’t buy into the code of conduct saga that waved over FreeBSD and eventually Linux…

I don't think there are many who send €50/mo, kudos to you! Few of their corporate users give much back at all. I used OpenBSD as my workstation a decade ago and also ran it on a firewall box. However, upgrading the system every six months is tedious: basically, you manually download the files, overwrite the kernel and userland core, and then do a three way merge of /etc. Plus there's a bit of manual work required to…

In -current there’s sysupgrade(8) that handles the “download bsd.rd, boot bsd.rd, upgrade, sysmerge” steps automatically in an unattended manner.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by masklinn »

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #125
dorfsmay wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish laptop manufacturers stopped carrying about ugly and spent more time on functionality such as ethernet port and easy to upgrade and repair, sell it to me without memory (or memory at a normal price), etc... I don't buy laptops to look good.

Those two are not mutually exclusive, unless you buy the premise that thinner = better (I don't). A thick laptop with many ports can look just as good as a thin one.

> Those two are not mutually exclusive, unless you buy the premise that thinner = better (I don't).

Even if you do, they're still not necessarily exclusive: ifixit tore down a bunch of HP devices, and even the "Elite X2 G4" two-in-one — not exactly a beastly looking device https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Elite-x2-G4-detachable-will... — got 9/10 on repairability: https://www.ifixit.com/News/hp-makes-the-modern-repairable-d...

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by danans »

cubano wrote: post #28

So, you are giving up what seems like your 2 most important apps (Evernote and VMs) just so you can run X operating system on a laptop? Excuse me, but this just doesn't make any sense. Applications are the reason we use computers, not OSs, and to have to make such sacrifices is IMHO just silly. The whole OS holy-war thing seems so played out to me...its 2019 just use whatever works..no one care really. Add to that th…

Adding to what others have pointed out about it being an enthusiast thing, technologies often have a political and identity dimension.

Some people love repairing old cars of a particular type and build a community around that interest. Likewise with OSes.

There are similar movements around energy tech, camera tech, cooking tech, and more.

For such a mindset, the joy of understanding the mechanism itself is the reward, not the practical end result.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by temp_884293 »

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #14
cpach wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it that you don’t like regarding CoC?

I'm not OP, but: > Harassment includes but is not limited to: Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, [...]. -- FreeBSD CoC Why even bring in the "systemic oppression" part? I can only assume that they'll be more lenient on disparaging comments that don't reinforce "systemic oppression", i.e. they'll apply "positive discrimination"…

I think things like this are stealth politics and/or propaganda.

> Harassment includes but is not limited to: Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, [...].

I translate this as: > words, words, words, message worded in such a way as to make it easy to accept and/or normalize, words, words, words

Systemic oppression in used in place of a lack of meaningful, quantified, real oppression. When oppression is your cause and you can't find it you image the structures of society itself are composed of it. Never mind that people are literally dying to come to your country to get some of that good systemic, institutional, oppression. When ideology becomes your religion nothing else matters.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by 0815test »

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #14
cpach wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it that you don’t like regarding CoC?

I'm not OP, but: > Harassment includes but is not limited to: Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, [...]. -- FreeBSD CoC Why even bring in the "systemic oppression" part? I can only assume that they'll be more lenient on disparaging comments that don't reinforce "systemic oppression", i.e. they'll apply "positive discrimination"…

> Why even bring in the "systemic oppression" part?

'There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted, and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.'

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