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I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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Post by sokoloff »

bin0 wrote: post #81
userbinator wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess they were also very surprised, because most people would rather not be touched by a stranger.

I am stuck doing this for medical reasons, and it is certainly one of the most degrading experiences I have ever had the displeasure of enduring. It's very possible he's stuck doing it for similar reasons. Most machines in America aren't backscatter, but I still can't use them. It's also a crapshoot - you may have an aggressive officer, or a friendly one. I've been patted down twice for absolutely no reason; not a se…

It's a jobs program.

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Post by sokoloff »

CalRobert wrote: post #20
UweSchmidt wrote: post #13

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Going against implicit expectations of others and being the only one who does something is maybe the hardest thing humans can do. Opting out could risk holding up the boarding process, possibly missing the flight, unpleasant treatment by security and being pitted against the other passengers - all of it to opt out of something is clearly a dark pattern. All of this is very well understood by the people who designed t…

I'm always sad when I'm the only one opting for a patdown at the airport after Defcon.

I opt-out every time. Only once have I even seen anyone else opt-out and that was leaving a tech conference in Vegas.

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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Post by yumraj »

CalRobert wrote: post #20
UweSchmidt wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going against implicit expectations of others and being the only one who does something is maybe the hardest thing humans can do. Opting out could risk holding up the boarding process, possibly missing the flight, unpleasant treatment by security and being pitted against the other passengers - all of it to opt out of something is clearly a dark pattern. All of this is very well understood by the people who designed t…

I'm always sad when I'm the only one opting for a patdown at the airport after Defcon.

what do you mean by "after Defcon". Could you please elaborate what you're referring to?

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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Post by jstarfish »

saltminer wrote: post #95
beatgammit wrote: post #88

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Fortunately and unfortunately, I nearly always travel with one or more young kids, which means I can't realistically do stuff like this that'll delay things (they have small bladders, little patience, and are curious). However, they usually have me go through the metal detector instead of the backscatter machine, so I tend to avoid that part of it. Before our last trip, I read about the facial ID thing, and I was wor…

> I just wish we can all come to our senses and realize that the TSA doesn't really make us safer and that it just makes everyone mad. Unfortunately, people just seem to put up with it. Because people don't feel like they can make any real impact, and for those who can (our representatives), it's political suicide. The TSA is a giant waste of money but turning the front line of security back to airports would extreme…

The TSA was implemented during the Bush era "economic stimulus" drama.

It was never about security, it was only ever about job creation. 9/11 was a convenient excuse to put lots of underqualified/underskilled people to work overnight.

For a politician to go against that now, they get doubly fucked on both the "made America less safe" and "got rid of thousands of jobs" fronts.

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

beatgammit wrote: post #88
codyb wrote: post #85

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Huh, I do it every time. Never behind a privacy screen. Never bothered me at all. The only shitty part is when agents let your stuff go through the scanners but you’re stuck behind the machines. I’m always trying to crane my neck to make sure no one walks off with a laptop. Usually the TSA agents are very nice. I ask them about their days, how things are, and then I’m on my way. I like to exercise my rights just to m…

Fortunately and unfortunately, I nearly always travel with one or more young kids, which means I can't realistically do stuff like this that'll delay things (they have small bladders, little patience, and are curious). However, they usually have me go through the metal detector instead of the backscatter machine, so I tend to avoid that part of it. Before our last trip, I read about the facial ID thing, and I was wor…

> I just wish we can all come to our senses and realize that the TSA doesn't really make us safer and that it just makes everyone mad. Unfortunately, people just seem to put up with it.

Indeed. What makes us safer are 2 things:

1. Secured cockpit doors 2. Passengers

Now, if someone tried doing something bad/unsafe/terrorist, everybody would jump them, and stop them from doing the thing. That's how shoe-guy was stopped. The passengers about killed him.

It used to be the chokepoint was departure. Now the TSA shoves a chokepoint to "terrorize" at the lines in front the scanners. And wherever you move the scanners creates yet another chokepoint. I'm surprised someone of ill intent hasn't done something at the lines of people.

But in the end, there's little we can do. Ideally our politicians should reconsider their roles, but thats 'reducing security yadda yadda', and political suicide.

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Post by RandallBrown »

dractori wrote: post #107
skribbj wrote: post #49

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What's the problem with these exactly?

Radiation exposure is cumulative. It's a small increase in your risk of developing cancer but it's not zero.

Millimeter wave scanners pose essentially no risk of cancer since they're non-ionizing.

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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Post by bin0 »

sokoloff wrote: post #131
bin0 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am stuck doing this for medical reasons, and it is certainly one of the most degrading experiences I have ever had the displeasure of enduring. It's very possible he's stuck doing it for similar reasons. Most machines in America aren't backscatter, but I still can't use them. It's also a crapshoot - you may have an aggressive officer, or a friendly one. I've been patted down twice for absolutely no reason; not a se…

It's a jobs program.

It's a jobs program which humiliates innocent Americans and treats those who have committed no crime as common criminals without any warrant or probable cause. It's a violation of individual sovereignty without reason. Jobs are good, but the ends do not justify the means.

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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Post by steelframe »

simond_d wrote: post #74
scottlocklin wrote: post #48

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>Internal flight could be anonymous, but when is the last time anyone paid for flights by cash? Let me tell you about flying before 1996, kid. It was great. No ID presented, you just needed a paper ticket. You could actually buy and sell paper tickets on usenet (and people did), and you could wave to your family when you get on the airplane as you didn't need a ticket to be in the boarding area. I thought it was a di…

Nothing you've said here would make me want to go back to 1996 and take a flight, granddad.

Everything he said would make me want to take more flights, you child.

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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Post by ant6n »

dalore wrote: post #65
UweSchmidt wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going against implicit expectations of others and being the only one who does something is maybe the hardest thing humans can do. Opting out could risk holding up the boarding process, possibly missing the flight, unpleasant treatment by security and being pitted against the other passengers - all of it to opt out of something is clearly a dark pattern. All of this is very well understood by the people who designed t…

Yes I asked if I could get a pat down instead of the backscatter x-ray at Heathrow. Was made to feel like a criminal, questioned etc and put under pressure. And then to be told I don't have to get scanned but I can't get on my flight unless I do. There wasn't even an opt out.

I was told at Heathrow flat out that there is no way to opt out, although they did the pat-down (etc.) in the end anyway
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