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Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by jammygit »

r3bl wrote: post #93
Nextgrid wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure that being a global network is a problem. Instagram is a global network and seems to be doing fine (although the quality of the content has now declined). Personally, a global network is what I want. I already have the solutions you mention (group chats, Slack/Discord instances, forums, etc) for specific communities. What’s missing is something like Facebook or Instagram where everyone is on it and I ca…

You don't jump from nothing to a global network. You host tangentially-related communities in the middle. The more of them you host, the bigger your overall numbers are. Instagram succeeded for that same reason: profiles set to private, no real name policy, people can't look you up in a search bar. It was easier to group up in small communities. The less that's the case, the crappier the content. Instagram was ruined…

Anecdotally, most of my irl friends don’t or else barely use Facebook at this point. Lots of profiles with no pictures posted in 5 years

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by jayess »

Zenst wrote: post #112

What is social media! I'm sure many class this very forum as their social outlet media wise. For some, wiki itself has become a social media outlet. But strikes upon social media which will involve less than 1% of users will gain no traction, hardly a blip. Wouldn't it of been better than instead of a strike that they had a statement with a hashtag that all those striking people posted that day and that was all. That…

A hashtag would get censored, they frequently do this.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by themacguffinman »

r3bl wrote: post #93
Nextgrid wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure that being a global network is a problem. Instagram is a global network and seems to be doing fine (although the quality of the content has now declined). Personally, a global network is what I want. I already have the solutions you mention (group chats, Slack/Discord instances, forums, etc) for specific communities. What’s missing is something like Facebook or Instagram where everyone is on it and I ca…

You don't jump from nothing to a global network. You host tangentially-related communities in the middle. The more of them you host, the bigger your overall numbers are. Instagram succeeded for that same reason: profiles set to private, no real name policy, people can't look you up in a search bar. It was easier to group up in small communities. The less that's the case, the crappier the content. Instagram was ruined…

On the contrary, I think you don't jump from nothing to tangentially-related communities. The reason why niche community subreddits are so successful is because reddit itself is a global, central network that congregates users all on its own with its popular default subs. You have it the wrong way round: niche communities benefit from a global platform that funnels users to them, niche subreddits do not drive the success of the global platform in the first place (although it may enhance it).

Discord and Mastodon could never be as successful as subreddits for this reason. It's pretty difficult to establish a niche community by setting up shop next to other niche communities, niches are full of passionate people who don't spread their passion across niches thinly. You want a global platform like reddit to expose your community to the masses to unlock the niches within it.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by rexpop »

Zenst wrote: post #112

What is social media! I'm sure many class this very forum as their social outlet media wise. For some, wiki itself has become a social media outlet. But strikes upon social media which will involve less than 1% of users will gain no traction, hardly a blip. Wouldn't it of been better than instead of a strike that they had a statement with a hashtag that all those striking people posted that day and that was all. That…

> Wouldn't it [have] been better than instead of a strike that they had a statement with a hashtag that all those striking people posted that day and that was all.

This is, in essence, how the action will go down.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by idlewords »

dmix wrote: post #128
idlewords wrote: post #121

This strike does not seem very well thought through. In an action of this kind, you want to demonstrate organization, capacity, and that you have real numbers behind you. Having people silently not use the internet on a major U.S. holiday achieves none of that. If the goal is to get people to share the hashtag, then that should be the focus of the action. A failed strike is much worse than not striking at all. But fr…

Sounds like competiting versions of slacktivism to me.

Slacktivism is a word people even lazier than the slacktivists use to describe small attempts at change. As a lazy guy myself, I'd lift my glass to you if it wasn't all the way over there.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by [deleted] »

espeed wrote: post #35
tickerticker wrote: post #6

Is HN a form of social media?

Yes. HN is a form of social media -- it's a social media exemplar -- the exception that proves it's possible to have an open system for high-quality public discourse, even if such a system is hard to establish and even harder to maintain. Paul Graham has said, "he hopes to avoid the Eternal September that results in the general decline of intelligent discourse within a community" [1]. Hacker News launched 12 years ag…

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Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by [deleted] »

Nextgrid wrote: post #80
kickscondor wrote: post #48

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I think there could be some useful purposes for everyone outside of social media: unifying those people, helping them find each other, mobilizing them to take community measures. I think it's safe to say that at this point we're not looking for another social network to replace Facebook or another search engine to replace Google - we need to start finding ways to work decentralized but still come together -this is go…

One big issue is that there’s nothing decentralised that currently exists that can rival the quality & user experience of mainstream social networks, and decentralisation comes with its own problems (I personally think the problem with mainstream social media is its ad-based business model and not centralisation). Mastodon (which seems to be the biggest alternative being proposed) is still a joke, even the name and b…

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