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An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by arcticfox »

q3k wrote: post #113
chaosite wrote: post #37

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That's because having US citizens as customers requires them to file tax information for those customers with the US government, and the German banks don't want the overhead.

And that's because for some unknown reason the US is one of the few countries that tax based on citizenship, and not residence [1]. It's absurd. Even resigning your citizenship is taxed [2]. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_taxation#Citizen... [2] - https://nomadcapitalist.com/2018/06/16/tax-consequences-of-r...

> It's absurd

As someone who has paid a truckload of these taxes: I don't think it's that absurd. You're not double-taxed. And if you want to relinquish citizenship, you can.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by espeed »

miracle2k wrote: post #75
espeed wrote: post #35

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Google Safety & Security Blog: An update on state-sponsored activity (2018) ... Detecting and terminating activity on Google properties "Actors engaged in this type of influence operation violate our policies, and we swiftly remove such content from our services and terminate these actors’ accounts. Additionally, we use a number of robust methods, including IP blocking, to prevent individuals or entities in Iran from…

This doesn't really have anything to do with what I posted.

It has to do with why Iranian IPs are being blocked by Google.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by FussyZeus »

bhouston wrote: post #87
pfortuny wrote: post #56

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This is really upsetting: it is exactly what happened elsewhere like 80 years ago: laws against people just because of their birth conditions. Edit: and people abiding by them because “it is the law”...

This is wrong what is going on and we should talk about it, but please stay away from Godwin'ing this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by whermans »

jankotek wrote: post #50
rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #13

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

It is targeting everyone. As an European I would love to visit Iran. Amazing country, some friends there, direct flights... But I would lose ESTA and would need to apply for a visa before visiting US.

Visit it. While you sitll can.

It's an amazing country. A price of "more paperwork to enter the USA" was an absolute bargain in my book.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by cr1895 »

espeed wrote: post #124
luckylion wrote: post #109

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> The Iranian people are not the target -- Persia is a rich ancient civilization that's being repressed -- the West knows this and wants to see the Iranian people's massive creative potential unleashed. Given that "the West" is largely responsible for installing/supporting repressive Regimes in Iran, that sounds a bit too naive. "Wants to replace the oppressive Regime with an oppressive Regime that will do their bidd…

The US people fought several wars to free itself and establish its nation. And then it went back to Europe and fought WWI and WWII to ensure it's free. Iran is one the few places on Earth remaining to be free. But freedom is a choice, and the Iranian people have to choose it.

What about the indigenous peoples of the present US? Did they choose freedom?

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Post by RobertoG »

rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #13

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

Have your friend checked with a lawyer? Because I have serious doubts that is legal in the EU.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by rbrtdrmpc- »

yyyk wrote: post #119
rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #13

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

"with dual italian/iranian citizenship due to the ius sanguinis (iranian mother, italian father)" How did she even get Iranian citizenship? Iranian law does not provide citizenship to children of Iranian mothers with foreign fathers even if they are born in Iran, and the Guardian Council has so far vetoed all attempts to change it[0]. [0] https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/05/iran-nati...

Didn't know, thanks, i should ask if I am wrong about her father, though she has italian citizenship and she was born in Teheran, that was the reason for her being kicked out from the bank, that's what i know for sure.

Just to restate, i'm quite sure her mother is iranian and i thought her father is italian because in Italy ius sanguinis law is the rule, so one of the parents should be italian born to get the citizenship from birth, if i mixed up the nationality of both parents is me being dumb, so thanks for pointing that out.

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Post by geff82 »

londons_explore wrote: post #106
geff82 wrote: post #53

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A tactic that takes 80 million people as hostages. Just as a side note: you can not give back Iranian citizenship (if that would be possible most Iranians in the West I know would do it). This concept does not exist. So even if you are the most western, fully integrated European which happens to have some Iranian roots you are still treated in a racist way because those new sanctions are so totally all-encompassing t…

You can totally "accidentally fail to declare" it. That's what I'd do living anywhere in Europe. For the most part, Europe won't put you in prison for ticking the wrong box on a form.

But it gets very difficult to never declare your place of birth, which, as mentioned by the OP, can be the same problem as having an Iranian passport.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by RobertoG »

espeed wrote: post #124
luckylion wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Iranian people are not the target -- Persia is a rich ancient civilization that's being repressed -- the West knows this and wants to see the Iranian people's massive creative potential unleashed. Given that "the West" is largely responsible for installing/supporting repressive Regimes in Iran, that sounds a bit too naive. "Wants to replace the oppressive Regime with an oppressive Regime that will do their bidd…

The US people fought several wars to free itself and establish its nation. And then it went back to Europe and fought WWI and WWII to ensure it's free. Iran is one the few places on Earth remaining to be free. But freedom is a choice, and the Iranian people have to choose it.

Ah, but Iran already chose freedom.

Unfortunately, they decided to use their freedom to take control of the oil in their country.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

"The 1953 Iranian coup d'état,[..], was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United States [..] and the United Kingdom [..]"

"Mosaddegh had sought to audit the documents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP) and to limit the company's control over Iranian oil reserves"

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by bsaul »

izacus wrote: post #38
bsaul wrote: post #29

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So, racism now doesn't mean race ? Or does race includes nationality in your definition ?

What's the practical difference? You're being punished due to a place you've been born in. Not something you did wrong. Just a luck of nature. And that's wrong. By any moral standard.

You’re just using a broader abstraction to define the original problem. This usually doesn’t help solving or understanding problems in general (you end up with general statement as « it’s wrong », which frankly doesn’t lead to anything).

As an example, it would be interesting to know if relocating to some other country, or give up your nationality solves the issue. In the case of racism, it wouldn’t for sure. In this case, i don’t know.

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