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Re: The internet is an SEO landfill

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sadly true, but an open source engine like searx could be made to do such a thing

The real cost is in the infrastructure needed to run it unless you go full P2P

It's important enough, and currently wastes enough of my time (read: SEO crap, Medium and Reddit are top results for... everything) that I'd happily pay for a good search engine!

Re: The internet is an SEO landfill

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Google any recipe, and there are at least 5 paragraphs (usually a lot more) of copy that no one will ever read, and isn't even meant for human consumption. Google "How to learn x", and you'll usually get copy written by people who know nothing about the subject, and maybe browsed Amazon for 30 minutes as research. Real, useful results that used to be the norm for Google are becoming more and more rare as time goes by…

Recipes are really bad on Google. There are also some odd aggregator sites I guess? Or just seem to copy from other places. Idk what their story is but they have tons of low effort recipes

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I append "reddit" to any query not meant for a productive task. Except now the internet is mostly reddit for me, which kinda bums me out. Especially given the new js-heavy design. In 2019, if I want reliable search about something I know nothing about I must first search on google, then try again with "reddit" appended, then change www.reddit.com to old.reddit.com, then parse through what are often questionable answe…

Google used to have a filter to only show discussions which I used constantly until they removed it. It's the only way to find actual reviews of some products without a million pages of blogspam

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Unfortunately SEO ruins great, witty and brief marketing texts.

> Unfortunately SEO ruins great, witty and brief marketing texts. SEO content marketing is basically a descendent of direct marketing -- the stuff you used to get in the mail, in two-page spreads in Reader's Digest and so forth. Direct marketers have known for a very long time that long-form copy sells better. They had the numbers to prove it long before "analytics" was a common idea -- the very term A/B testing refe…

> the very term A/B testing refers to the "A" and "B" sides of a newspaper print roller being able to print two versions of an advertisement.

Really? That's interesting. But how could they tell which version converted better? Maybe distributing each version in a different area?

Re: The internet is an SEO landfill

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Off the top of my head on a Sunday, a few laws that might help remedy the SEO situation:

* Make all posted internet content public domain (no limits on scraping).

* Make any scraped public data used for profit be available to the public via a license similar to the GPL (similarly to how medical research of public data should be shared with the public rather than hidden behind a paywall).

* Legally separate search from industries such as advertising and shipping (apply some antitrust legislation for once).

* Require some sort of tech support for redress of grievances (if a human can't be reached within say 10 business days, allow escalation to a government agency that can apply injunctions or other red tape to encourage monopolistic companies to play nicely).

* Implement steep fines for market manipulation, similar to insider trading laws. If a search engine pulls the listing that another business's livelihood depends upon, and it can be proven that (for example) a competitor or business partner initiated the pull, then it should open the search engine up to collusion charges. Frivolous pulls not remedied after say 10 business days would be treated as malicious and open the search engine to an audit of its relationships with its clients in that space.

Please if anyone has more ideas, let's hear them. I'd vote to look at the merits of any new laws rather than their likelihood of being implemented, which I realize is likely quite low!

Re: The internet is an SEO landfill

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> Why? Because there’s so much competition in my line of business and i need the initial paid traffic.

So this in itself is a problem. Why would your business be more relevant if there's much meaningful competition?

It really depends on what you're searching for. Taking the bike example. No search engine could ever give a meaningful result when just searching for "bike". You need to get more deep into the material and search with specialized terms. "bike internal hub" looks pretty fair in Google.

Re: The internet is an SEO landfill

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Search results are so heavily weighted toward commerce, products and services because those are the people that can spend money on SEO. It's made the internet, seen through the eyes of search results, seem like an aggressive, shady market bazaar. I try searching for anything remotely bike related, bike community, mechanical information, or just general cool bike stuff and I can't find the human community underneath a…

Don't forget the "showing results for Y, click here to search for X" when X is what you actually wanted to search for. It's ironic that, in trying to make search "human friendly", Google has also succeeded in giving it all the negative traits of a human --- the "human" that is more like a commissioned salesperson. I know the argument is that humans frequently make mistakes so "we should just show them what we think t…

Grep the internet and sort by pagerank was great. Then everyone removed links that went offsite. Then link farms. The fake blogs and influencers are the evolution of link farms. Unfortunately sellers will game the system. How do we create a way for buyers to game it?

Re: The internet is an SEO landfill

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I append "reddit" to any query not meant for a productive task. Except now the internet is mostly reddit for me, which kinda bums me out. Especially given the new js-heavy design. In 2019, if I want reliable search about something I know nothing about I must first search on google, then try again with "reddit" appended, then change www.reddit.com to old.reddit.com, then parse through what are often questionable answe…

Am I the only one who thinks Reddit really sucks?

It's a cesspool of kiddie memes, shock, ill informed opinion and political posturing.

Besides, if I wanted to search Reddit I'd go to Reddit. It being front page for _everything_ I search for now is so annoying.

Re: The internet is an SEO landfill

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I blame Google. They could easily derank sites with paywalls, interstitials, and 4mb of trackers but this goes against their core business. When paywalls stopped being considered "cloaking" I knew the free web was done for Google search.

I'm not sure if there's much research on the subject, but in my experience a huge majority of "slow" sites are directly caused by tons of tracking and ad code.

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