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Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by bluetidepro »

apexalpha wrote: post #129
bluetidepro wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your point, but I guess I just wish it wasn't an "either or" world, so we both could enjoy the web how we would respectively like. Why won't Google let us have both? Right now, I don't believe there is a way to disable AMP ( unless you use like a Firefox mobile extension for that specific use case ). That's what bothers me the most, personally. Google shoving it down our throats, and force feeding us AMP…

I agree with you. I would prefer a world where AMP isn't needed and websites don't ad 4MB of bloat to their sites. But, we don't live in that world I'm afraid. And for many news websites I don't want to even begin downloading the auto-playing video on their page. So AMP is for many the easiest choice.

Again, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying, Google should let us choose. If I want to download 4MB of bloat, let me. I don't like them making the choice for me that AMP is "the best" option. What you want, isn't what I want always, and that's my point. It is user hostile/a dark pattern for Google to force AMP on me, with no way to disable it.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by hknd »

benjymo wrote: post #128
bluetidepro wrote: post #90

It's ironic to me that AMP is a problem we all brought upon ourselves, really. It's almost (jokingly) a Prisoner's dilemma [1]. Had no one ever opted into it, it probably would have just been swept under the rug by Google, and a win-win for us all. But since a competitor of yours ( probably ) opted into it to get ahead of you, you now have to opt into it also, to compete and get the same SEO "power juice" it gave the…

Unfortunately, Google can rank by whatever criteria they want and we are forced to implement it. And it isn't always in the best interest of the end user. E.g. at a company we had to add "useless" content on our shop pages, otherwise google ranked the pages lower due to having not enough content.

The Google Search team is always ranking pages to get the best metric (ctr, time-spend-on-website), s.t. it indicates that users are happy with the result.

If any feature/change introduces a regression, they will not ship it. (That kinda indicates that people outside of hn actually like amp)

Keep in mind that: amp team != search team.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by apexalpha »

bluetidepro wrote: post #131
apexalpha wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you. I would prefer a world where AMP isn't needed and websites don't ad 4MB of bloat to their sites. But, we don't live in that world I'm afraid. And for many news websites I don't want to even begin downloading the auto-playing video on their page. So AMP is for many the easiest choice.

Again, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying, Google should let us choose. If I want to download 4MB of bloat, let me. I don't like them making the choice for me that AMP is "the best" option. What you want, isn't what I want always, and that's my point. It is user hostile/a dark pattern for Google to force AMP on me, with no way to disable it.

In which way is Google forcing you to AMP? I've never encountered a website that didn't also have a not-AMP version.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by bluetidepro »

apexalpha wrote: post #133
bluetidepro wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying, Google should let us choose. If I want to download 4MB of bloat, let me. I don't like them making the choice for me that AMP is "the best" option. What you want, isn't what I want always, and that's my point. It is user hostile/a dark pattern for Google to force AMP on me, with no way to disable it.

In which way is Google forcing you to AMP? I've never encountered a website that didn't also have a not-AMP version.

It's forcing me to go through AMP, that's what I'm saying. And in the case of the parent OG article this is all on, that is currently broken. Thus, forcing me to be stuck on AMP, with no way to bypass it. That's why it needs a setting to disable it entirely. I don't want to have to go through a website to get to the one I wanted. I don't need the AMP middleman.

You are completely not understanding my point of having the OPTION to disable it, so users who don't want to deal with AMP at all (myself, and many others) can have that ability.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by UweSchmidt »

ec109685 wrote: post #87
eska wrote: post #66

When I attended the Drupal Europe 2018 conference I had the opportunity to talk to Barb Palser of the AMP global relations team. I asked her in an intentionally innocent way: "I thought AMP is supposed to replace RSS, but from the presentation it seems like it's trying to be a better HTML?" to which she replied yes. I acted all optimistic, so she wouldn't be defensive, but this conversation sent chills down my spine…

What would it even mean to be better RSS? The idea is sites can preload an AMP page safely so that when you click on it, it can display to the user instantly. In that specific case, isn’t Barb correct, no chills needed?

The fundamental change is that now the content comes from Google's servers. Google is hosting the Internet.

Of course Google can't host illegal content on their service, right? And won't host content that goes against a future AMP user agreement...

From there they can tighten the screws against competitors, or future attempts at privacy, or basically anything they get away with.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by SomeOldThrow »

apexalpha wrote: post #118
bluetidepro wrote: post #90

It's ironic to me that AMP is a problem we all brought upon ourselves, really. It's almost (jokingly) a Prisoner's dilemma [1]. Had no one ever opted into it, it probably would have just been swept under the rug by Google, and a win-win for us all. But since a competitor of yours ( probably ) opted into it to get ahead of you, you now have to opt into it also, to compete and get the same SEO "power juice" it gave the…

Counterpoint: WE don't live in an ideal world and AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages. I would love if managers and directors would do this themselves and AMP wouldn't be needed, but that's just not the case. I have to choose between downloading some text and images to read an article or load 5MB JavaScript SinglePageApp with tracking, ads, auto playing video's... I know in an ideal world AMP would b…

I will never get prioritizing speed over quality. Search results are worse than ever but Google is still claiming to know what we want. If only they had a business model that encouraged development of high quality tools rather than selling ads....

Meanwhile, the easiest way to speed up pages is to stop selling ads and splitting up content over multiple clicks.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#139

Post by lern_too_spel »

OskarS wrote: post #46
xupybd wrote: post #37

Just came to say I hate amp. If I want to go to a site I want that site not a google cache of it. It’s not a better experience. It just means another click to get to where I was going. Stop the madness Google kill amp.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on HN defend AMP. We all hate it. It's a pox on the modern web.

As a mobile web user, I love AMP. Pages load instantly. I can and do click through multiple articles on the same topic before finding one that is the highest quality because the time cost of clicking through is nearly zero.

Google's, Bing's, Baidu's, etc.'s users by and large also love AMP or else they wouldn't spend the money on the infrastructure.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

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Post by jakeogh »

b3kart wrote: post #13
piecu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not for google. They want to kill links.

Which would be ironic, given their whole business has been built on following links and keeping track of what links to what.

More accurately, they want to keep you in their garden. Not knowing it's happening would be advantageous for the goog.
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