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Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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1. Big company browser attains majority market share. 2. Big company browser's quality starts to slip, but they are not so powerful, they don't have to care. 3. Big company browser starts to work against the common good.

We've seen this before. We'll probably see it again.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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I thought recaptcha provided alternate domains/hosts not linked to Google so that you can use it in China. Is that not the case anymore?

if this is true, I'd love to hear the alternate! I use recaptcha and hate that my chinese customers need to do wacky stuff to circumvent it.

See: https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/faq

Look under the section "use recaptcha globally" -- this is what I was referring to. However it's not clear to me if this approach enables use in China or not.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Big rant, there are few things I hate more than filling out their endless useless CAPTCHA's when browsing websites that have nothing to do with Google. Google is a hypocritical pile of burning . They use bots right? They scrape websites, they infest everything from my banking website to console emulators with their tracking, and yet we little people are not allowed to scrape or interface with the web programmatically…

It's the web developer that doesn't want you to interact with their site programmatically.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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This is a common problem with FF if you have any privacy settings enabled. ReCAPTCHA does deep fingerprinting. If you block that fingerprinting it punishes you.

If you come up with another way that is as effective in an ever growing world of bots trying to break anything in their way, I would love to use it. I've had to pay 100x bills on my monthly quota once too often, and as a hobby developer, I just can't afford trying to fight off people abusing my website every day. Yes, resorting to fingerprinting is not ideal, but what's better, asking everyone to solve that hard capt…

Considering how easy it is to use real chrome with puppeteer, I'm inclined to not give the benefit of doubt on this one to google.

In the end, a custom captcha is probably a better solution, even if it is easier than google's.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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FYI. Title is misleading. This experience has nothing to do Firefox vs Chrome. Result is because of 3rd party cookie and tracker blocking. I had same and even worse (I was not able to get through captcha) experience on chrome itself because I have 3rd party cookies disabled and couple privacy oriented extensions running.

No, I believe it is because the Chrome as a browser works in conjunction with Gmail and other google properties' logins to kinda figure out that you're a human. One of the things, if it ever gets there, would be for the anti-trust probe, if any, to look at how Google shares data between its browser, Chrome, and it's other services.

How would the website code communicate with the browser, unless it was some open API you can refer to. As for "in conjunction with Gmail", yes that's called cookies.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Those storefront photos were remarkably clear/unambiguous, compared to some I've gotten.

When logging into an account I needed to log into, maybe a couple years ago, they'd jerk me around in the manner of this grumpy.website example, but more. One time, it went on for several topics, for what seemed around 10 minutes. I pay money for that account.

This obnoxious annoyance is in addition to the offense of some company letting third-party code from a mass-surveillance company not only into their pages (which almost every company with a Web site does, sadly) but also into their authentication page. Much more important services on the Web do not need captchas for login to accounts that were paid for. Now, every time I get a hassle to log in to my account I pay for, plus directly leak that info to a surveillance company. It makes me regret paying money for the account, like the company are oblivious or don't care, and I won't have much loyalty when the right competitor appears.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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I was going through the same ordeal as a Firefox user, so I've made Buster to solve challenges and reclaim some of that lost time: https://github.com/dessant/buster If you're a developer, please consider replacing reCAPTCHA on your site with an alternative. reCAPTCHA discriminates against people with disabilities and those who seek privacy, and it gaslights you into thinking you did not solve the challenge correctly,…

I've recently had issues with buster where Google detects it, giving me this error: "Your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now". Is there a solution for this?

I also get this sometimes, not even using buster. Once I was not able to access package tracking information, because Google blocked me completely via recaptcha from that.

I actually do a lot of automated queries from my computer.

I like to scrape and save content that may disappear. Just recently one psychology website I liked years ago where I put a lot of effort to comment on, silently deleted all 60k user comments, including 100s I wrote, and started putting old articles behind a paywall. My activity is perfectly legal, as I'm doing all this for my own personal use.

Thankfully I have all the content locally in the database.

Does it mean I should be prevented from accessing third party services that use recaptcha?

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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The problem with recaptcha alternatives is that they either are insecure or require time and money to continue to be ahead of bots. All of the "interactive stand-alone approaches" from that page can be beaten with run-of-the-mill OCR (other than perhaps the 3d challenge) and with almost any mobile phone speech recognition engine (and, if the attacker has the money, can send it off to Google's cloud speech-to-text). A…

Sending my data to Google as a condition of using someone else’s site also isn’t secure. Training Google AI also isn’t something I signed up for.

Not saying I like the precedent of Google being inescapable, you're not "signing up" for anything. A web server is 100% in its rights to refuse to send you a page, on their terms.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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I'm from the UK and often get very American questions. Such as "select all the images with cross-walks". This isn't really a phrase we have over here, so when I first got this I had no idea what I was meant to be looking for in the array of random pictures and actually had to look it up to get past it. If you're going to force me to do a captcha, at least localise the damn questions.

Do other non-American's get this as well?

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