U.S. Warns Of Spy Dangers Of Chinese-Made Drones • Hacker News Board

Re: U.S. Warns Of Spy Dangers Of Chinese-Made Drones

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Post by the-dude » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #26

luckylion wrote: post #22

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Yeah, that's similar to how we can't let Saddam know that we know where his giant WMD factories and storage facilities are, so you just have to take our word for it...

I don't know how old you were at the time of 9/11 - but there were loud, public voices in the Intelligence Community telling everyone that the WMD situation was fabricated. To the point the only person claiming there were WMDs was Cheney and his inner circle, which is why both the Democrats and our international partners had to be brow beaten into supporting the invasion of Iraq. To claim these two situations are the…

Correct about the WMD:

- Million protesters in London, UK

- 100k protesters in Amsterdam, NL ( me included )

- France wouldn't have any of it

- At the start of the campaign only the UK and NL were in the 'coalition'

We knew the WMD was bullshit : Blix said so, Ritter? said so.

Re: U.S. Warns Of Spy Dangers Of Chinese-Made Drones

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:18 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #104

mg794613 wrote: post #68

"We're not being paranoid" No, but the amount of suggestive "Might" "Could" etc titles/articles now out there shows a whole other picture. China is now the new enemy. And everybody must know apparently. Even respectable news outlets can't resist the temptation of completely unfounded copying of the American media machine. I'm not stating China is so innocent, but sorry there is only one country in the world systemati…

> there is only one country in the world systematically spying, bombing and manipulating friend AND enemies alike Your premise is clearly wrong. NATO bombed Libya. Every member of NATO is guilty. There are 29 nations in NATO. Here they are: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the United Kingdom the United States, Greece, Turkey, Germany, Spain, Czech, Hunga…

Germany sat out the bombing of Libya, much to the chagrin of the United States.

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Post by the-dude » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

WillPostForFood wrote: post #89

tw04 wrote: post #26

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I don't know how old you were at the time of 9/11 - but there were loud, public voices in the Intelligence Community telling everyone that the WMD situation was fabricated. To the point the only person claiming there were WMDs was Cheney and his inner circle, which is why both the Democrats and our international partners had to be brow beaten into supporting the invasion of Iraq. To claim these two situations are the…

That's a wild reframing of the run up to Iraq. Dick Cheney forced Joe Biden and Hilary Clinton to vote for the war? Democrats had a narrow majority in the Senate, and a majority of them voted for the war. They ran the intelligence committee, so they had plenty of access to the information at the time, and i give them enough credit to have made their choices independent of Dick Cheney's wishes.

You are either with us or against us was directed internally too.

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Post by MockObject » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:26 PM UTC

vectorrain wrote: post #87

mtgx wrote: post #56

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The trade war -- if done right -- would supposedly force China to make some real concessions if they want the trade war to end. For instance, they almost agreed to end the forced tech transfers from US to Chinese companies, but then they changed their minds, which seems to be what actually prompted the recent tariff raise to 25%. I understand not "making the economic situation worse", but sometimes things have to get…

Nonsense! If a deal hasn't been made, each side could change their mind, right? If we want to make a deal and I take great advantages on you, is it right for me to accuse you if you regrete before the deal is made? "because Chinese developers tend to "take take take" and not contribute anything back, ever." It's not ture. For example, Siggraph is the best conference in the computer graphics field. In 2018, the number…

> the number of papers that contain Chinese or ethnic Chinese is

Nobody cares about any "ethnic Chinese" fraction. We're discussing a trade war between US and PRC, not some racial struggle between Chinese and Caucasians or whatever.

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Post by newaccoutnas » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:29 PM UTC

jdc wrote: post #13

newaccoutnas wrote: post #10

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There have been instances whereby a robotic hoover (Xaomi(sp?) one?) have been sending their generated floor maps back to servers in CN, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume drones could be doing the same thing.

Sources?

It was on this week's BBC Click program, there was a full room of IoT devices with wireshark showing their packet traces.

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Post by newaccoutnas » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:37 PM UTC

jdietrich wrote: post #112

newaccoutnas wrote: post #10

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There have been instances whereby a robotic hoover (Xaomi(sp?) one?) have been sending their generated floor maps back to servers in CN, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume drones could be doing the same thing.

That was Roomba, owned by the American company iRobot. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/technology/roomba-irobot-...

I saw this via BBC Click, this weekend. There was a room full of IoT devices and they were showing how chatty they all were via wireshark. They specifically said floormaps had been found being sent back to servers in CN.

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Post by newaccoutnas » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:39 PM UTC

taneq wrote: post #44

newaccoutnas wrote: post #10

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There have been instances whereby a robotic hoover (Xaomi(sp?) one?) have been sending their generated floor maps back to servers in CN, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume drones could be doing the same thing.

Teslas send loads of stuff back to Tesla servers which I'd assume are in the U.S. It's not an unusual thing to do in this cloud-happy day and age.

Sure, I can imagine that's fine for car telemetry and you enter into that knowing. It's common technology, even pool cars will have a black logging box. Do I expect a device in my home to be mapping out the floorspace and sending that back to unknown parties (whatever the location) without consent? Then no, that's different.

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Post by spectramax » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:42 PM UTC

mg794613 wrote: post #68

"We're not being paranoid" No, but the amount of suggestive "Might" "Could" etc titles/articles now out there shows a whole other picture. China is now the new enemy. And everybody must know apparently. Even respectable news outlets can't resist the temptation of completely unfounded copying of the American media machine. I'm not stating China is so innocent, but sorry there is only one country in the world systemati…

I feel like your comment resonates with deep anti-American prejudice by making lofty unsubstantiated claims and has a bit of condescending elitist sentiment. The reason why I read HN comments is for informative, objective and interesting arguments.

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Post by onemoresoop » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:57 PM UTC

la_barba wrote: post #126

onemoresoop wrote: post #121

The problem that US is facing is the loss of credibility over time. It reminds me of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. US doesn't have the credibility to convince the world anymore, even if the threat is real.. There is a lot of rebuilding the US has to do. First fix the politics which is rife with petty interests, lobbying, political imbalance very skewed towards corporations over citizens, extreme polarization, 2 party syste…

The other thing that has happened is the internet and the free flow of information. It is no longer the case of manipulating 3-4 media outlets. People get their information at thousands of different places. I think its not really a loss of credibility, but the normalization of credibility based on a huge pool of information, rather than a restricted one.

I was referring to past actions of the US that proved to be unjustified and disastrous: WMDs in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.. This is related to the normalization of credibility based on information ubiquity, but I think it's mainly US's actions speaking for themselves. After the WWII us has become a policing force that more or less , with the exception of the Vietnam war, wasn't as active in foreign wars as they've been recently. The Vietnam war fuckup was largely forgotten or attributed to a different America that had changed. But the recent wars were also pointless and proved otherwise.

Once again, US has the ability to change, but it will take a lot of effort to do so and will have to start leading by example.

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Post by Theodores » Wed, May 29, 2019, 7:03 PM UTC

la_barba wrote: post #126

onemoresoop wrote: post #121

The problem that US is facing is the loss of credibility over time. It reminds me of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. US doesn't have the credibility to convince the world anymore, even if the threat is real.. There is a lot of rebuilding the US has to do. First fix the politics which is rife with petty interests, lobbying, political imbalance very skewed towards corporations over citizens, extreme polarization, 2 party syste…

The other thing that has happened is the internet and the free flow of information. It is no longer the case of manipulating 3-4 media outlets. People get their information at thousands of different places. I think its not really a loss of credibility, but the normalization of credibility based on a huge pool of information, rather than a restricted one.

The newspapers and their online equivalents get their information from the same newswires. You only have to manipulate those few original and allegedly reputable sources and the media echo chamber makes it appear there is a 'free press' with every journalist doing investigative journalism. In reality it is a copy and paste operation, newspapers just take what there is on the newswire and dumb it down a bit for their audience.