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Amazon Is Poised to Unleash a Purge of Small Wholesale Suppliers

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Re: Amazon Is Poised to Unleash a Purge of Small Wholesale Suppliers

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I really hope this triggers some long needed anti-trust action against amazon - controlling the market place and using that control to execute actions like this is exactly what those laws are there for, this is the first step in a consolidation to force suppliers into less profitable agreements and individual bargaining.

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It wouldn't surprise me. Bezos is probably at the top of Trump's "enemies list," and I assume (or, rather, hope) that the converse is also true.

I don't think it's excessively political to point out that Trump is exactly the sort of President who would use his Justice Department as an instrument to settle personal beefs.

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I think what you are finding are eBay sellers dropshipping the items from Amazon directly. So those items will be more expensive since the sellers have to make up the 10% eBay fee. I'm talking about the Amazon sellers that use something like Channel Advisor and are listing the same products on eBay for less. But finding those sellers takes effort in some cases.

That may be exactly what happens on the back end. I only see it from a consumer point of view. I can't reliably best Amazon prices by going to eBay, I have to go somewhere like Walmart.

> I can't reliably best Amazon prices by going to eBay, I have to go somewhere like Walmart. reply

A lot of eBay sellers actually source from Walmart. I have. I works pretty great... sometimes. Just gotta be quick about getting their clearance items or pricing mistakes.

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No one ever talks about eBay anymore....but when are we going to collectively realize that they are the best of the "big tech" companies? They've stayed remarkable true to their mission, haven't entered politics (ironic given previous CEO), and continued to offer a good service. Since the commingling of inventory is now so prevalent at Amazon, I find myself using eBay more and more.

I've been selling on eBay recently and it's been surprisingly easy. Not making a killing by any means since it's just a side hustle but that extra 5k in the last 90 days is pretty nice for very little work.

I think the only beef people have with eBay is how dumb their support people can be sometimes when you run into a problem.

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Amazon does make you pay to use the warehouse space. If your inventory is not selling, they start charging you for housing the inventory. Their ideal scenario is to force sellers to send inventory that matches sales so warehousing is optimized.

I thought we paid for warehousing regardless. Though I think there are situations where if your selling inventory is turning over quickly, they may waive warehousing fees. The incentive is definitely there to manage inventory at optimal levels. If your inventory sits too long in their warehouse, the fees go from "regular" storage fees to "long-term" storage fees. Those fees are much higher, which incentivizes the sel…

Yes I was talking about the long term storage fees which they used to charge if inventory was rolled over after 30 days. The items we used to sell needed to be purchased in high quantities to get a decent price so we would ship items to FBA on a monthly basis trying to estimate demand. Eventually, Amazon itself started selling the same item and it just wasn't worth it especially with higher fees for FBA.

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No one ever talks about eBay anymore....but when are we going to collectively realize that they are the best of the "big tech" companies? They've stayed remarkable true to their mission, haven't entered politics (ironic given previous CEO), and continued to offer a good service. Since the commingling of inventory is now so prevalent at Amazon, I find myself using eBay more and more.

The best big tech company? Maybe presently people have no major beefs with the organization. But there have been more than enough negative actions by this company in the past including: Suing craigslist (and losing) for breach of fiduciary duty because it wouldn't exploit its users enough. This was knowing that the shares were acquired in conflict with the ownership and mission of craigslist. eBay tried to get inside…

> Suing craigslist (and losing) for breach of fiduciary duty because it wouldn't exploit its users enough.

The lawsuit had nothing to do with "exploiting users". It was about Newmark and Buckmaster's attempt to dilute eBay's shares. A lawsuit eBay won.

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Yes, technically the are separate. But given how tightly the systems remain integrated, it appears that was just for show.

>given how tightly the systems remain integrated Ebay is moving away from its tight integration with Paypal and has a deal with a new payment processor (Adyen) after it's current paypal deal ends in 2020. Between that and the fact that they're two public companies with separate freely traded ownership, it's hard for me to buy the argument that the spin off was "just for show". https://www.ebayinc.com/stories/news/eba…

Also (in Canada at least) they are using a service called "Shippo" for shipping labels, instead of PayPal's shipping label service

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It's about whose balance sheet the stock is on. If Amazon buys an iPhone, and then lists it for sale on the Amazon store, that's Amazon's iPhone. If Amazon doesn't manage to sell it, Amazon has lost money. If Amazon does sell it, they capture the profit margin between the price they bought it at, and the price they sold it at. Apple, who sold Amazon the iPhone originally, has no further business relationship with the…

Thank you. I actually do understand how consignment works, but I truly appreciate your completeness and the time you put into explaining this to me. I guess what gets me confused is two things -- first, I thought that the only things that Amazon didn't sell on a consignment basis were things that actually carried Amazon branding. Second, the article seems to imply something a bit different than what you're explaining…

Amazon used to retail tons of products, for two reasons:

1. Comparative ROI of different business models at different scales. When you're smaller, there's more money in being the middleman (if you can source products more cheaply through negotiation or clever sourcing, you can capture a large profit margin); and there's less money in being a logistics provider (since, without a built-up brand in the space, you have to compete on price.) Now that Amazon is huge, the scales are flipped: being the middleman and sourcing products is now more of a burden than a profit source, while running a well-known and trusted logistics provider is now a huge profit center. But this wasn't always true.

2. Bootstrapping. Consignment is a partnership built on trust. Big manufacturers won't do it with small/unknown storefronts. A retail supply-chain relationship (where the goods are—from the manufacturer's perspective—a sale, as soon as the retailer takes possession of them) is safer and lower-commitment for both parties. It's like hiring someone as a contractor instead of as an employee. Amazon ca. 1994 needed goods in their storefront, and the only way to get those goods into their storefront as a relative unknown was by buying them at wholesale, like a regular retailer.

> So, just to check my understanding, this move by Amazon won't really affect anything as far as I am concerned as a customer?

Definitely; in the long term, nothing will change. But, in the very short term, you might see a blip.

If nobody other than Amazon was selling some product on the Amazon storefront, and the manufacturer is asleep on their feet, the product's listing might pop out of existence for a few days, before the manufacturer bothers to take possession of the listing. Every manufacturer that Amazon was retailing for inevitably will re-list the products themselves (as a consigner), because Amazon is now too large to ignore as a sales channel.

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I'm definitely biased more in favor of convenience and shipping speed. But to take a recent example, I just bought something last week on eBay, and regular shipping was free, or I could upgrade to USPS Priority Mail for $9.99. For a $32 boxed set of DVDs, this triggers my rip-off sensor, even if it's not enough to really matter. And it wouldn't be two-day shipping, just priority mail. Good but not the same. I like eB…

USPS has increased its shipping prices quite a bit in the last several years, enough that I can (unfortunately) easily see it costing $9.99 or even more to send a box set of DVDs. Try checking the USPS shipping calculator, you might be surprised at the results.

You're generally right but DVDs (and books and CDs) can go media mail and that's very cheap. Like $3 for 3 pounds.

I was selling off some old PC Magazines and Bytes from when I was a teenager and was surprised that magazines aren't supposed to be shipped via media mail since they've got advertisements in them.

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No one ever talks about eBay anymore....but when are we going to collectively realize that they are the best of the "big tech" companies? They've stayed remarkable true to their mission, haven't entered politics (ironic given previous CEO), and continued to offer a good service. Since the commingling of inventory is now so prevalent at Amazon, I find myself using eBay more and more.

ebay is getting more attractive again. But probably the stupidest company in the tech field.

They had skype, a kind of social network. They could have been facebook.

They had paypal they could have been the major payment processor on phones (see WeChat)

A lot of missed opportunities.

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Amazon is a sprawling complex of market stalls masquerading as a single Costco, while Ebay is a sprawling complex of market stalls that makes no pretensions of being something else.

The Faux Cathedral and the Bazaar?

For those wondering where the quote comes from;

https://monoskop.org/images/e/e0/Raymond_Eric_S_The_Cathedra...

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