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Re: WhatsApp voice calls were used to inject spyware on phones

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All my life I've thought spyware was developed primarily by evil Russian and Chinese hackers. But apparently also by Israeli developers with their government's blessing and open endorsement. That's some very shady stuff. Before someone says something about government surveillance of fiber cables. Yes, that is also bad, but exploiting vulnerabilities to install spyware on peoples phones... It crosses yet another line…

They managed to destroy Iranian nuclear centrifuges using a very sophisticated attack. Read up on Stuxnet. Also, as an Israeli, I can 100% confirm that Israelis have absolutely no issues with crossing any kind of boundary. The fact that others think that such a thing as "boundaries" exist only serves as an advantage.

The Wired writeup on Stuxnet and the actors involved was an incredible read:

https://www.wired.com/2014/11/countdown-to-zero-day-stuxnet/

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Well, the first half of that statement seems undeniably true.

Absolutely. But no more naughty than USA or Israel, as far as I can tell.

Hmm, I don’t want to get into a state wickedness bidding war, but the US/Israel are democracies where you are unlikely to be eg locked up without a fair trial. Contrast with the fate of the Uighurs.

In foreign policy it’s more balanced (supporting Syria vs Saudi Arabia) but even there, Russia is clearly trying to subvert foreign democracies. China is (perhaps reasonably) pushing for more power in Asia. And while the US support for human rights is patchy, China’s is non-existent.

Then there’s the Palestinians... (sigh)

Re: WhatsApp voice calls were used to inject spyware on phones

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All my life I've thought spyware was developed primarily by evil Russian and Chinese hackers. But apparently also by Israeli developers with their government's blessing and open endorsement. That's some very shady stuff. Before someone says something about government surveillance of fiber cables. Yes, that is also bad, but exploiting vulnerabilities to install spyware on peoples phones... It crosses yet another line…

>All my life I've thought spyware was developed primarily by evil Russian and Chinese hackers. You've led a very sheltered life if you think the Russians and the Chinese have been more evil than the Americans or the Israelis. I suggest reading history - a lot of it. When it comes to governments there are no good guys, only bad guys.

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Re: WhatsApp voice calls were used to inject spyware on phones

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For better or worse, we are living in a world that is going through a great consolidation of wealth and power. Israel is a major beneficiary of the fiscal consolidation that we see happening around the world. Currently, there are more multimillionaire households in Israel per capita than the United States, Britain, Canada, Sweden and even Denmark!

As a United States citizen, it saddens me that our country is heavily focused on equipping and supporting a foreign entity that has been known to violate international laws and break their own agreements with the Palestinians (Oslo Accords) (Illegal Settlements in Internationally Contested Land). There is a long legacy of broken promises on behalf of Israel. Their reputation in the international community is bad for a reason, it is indeed an apartheid state and has been since its inception in 1948.

As humans, I believe that we have a moral obligation to ensure that a basic level of quality of life can be enjoyed for ourselves. If we are fortunate enough to be blessed with an abundance of resources, then our obligation to ensure a basic level of quality of life can be attained for our neighbors as well.

We see this natural progression very clearly in America and other countries. When an individual grew up in an impoverished neighborhood and eventually becomes a celebrity, they invariably elect to give back to the community, supporting their neighborhood and hoping to help others achieve a basic level of quality of life that we all as humans are entitled to. The responsibility that we have as humans to help others has and always will be held by the individual or country that is doing better off in terms of resources, knowledge, experience or financial variables.

A change must happen for the betterment of humankind. It is not the Palestinians fault that they were subjected to a full-scale military invasion in 1948 followed by 70 years of humiliation and severely degrading living conditions. The Palestinians in Gaza are unable to travel by Land, Air or Sea, their basic human right of freedom of movement has been restricted. The living conditions are wretched as a result of many restrictions imposed by Israel. The United Nations has deemed Gaza uninhabitable due to poor drinking water and lack of electricity. Currently, the annual income per capita in Gaza is $1,826.

It's my understanding that anything is allowed by some, as mentioned previously in this thread – boundaries are drawn with the intention of breaking them - these boundaries are both physical and abstract ones. I am sure that the intention would be to go much further than simply crossing boundaries but to rewrite the entire playbook.

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I took it out because the thread was veering into generic flamewar about Israel. Actually we often remove country names from titles because they trigger people into making more nationalistic comments, which are equal parts indignant and boring.

Oh, I see, that makes a lot of sense actually. Thank you for your service!

It's not much of a service but I appreciate the kind words.

Re: WhatsApp voice calls were used to inject spyware on phones

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It's not clear to me if you're right, but I would rephrase the issue this way: If there's a vulnerability in Whatsapp, the injected code should only affect Whatsapp. Otherwise, it's (also) a vulnerability in iOS.

That might be enough for what they are doing. At least it will allow them to spy on whatsapp messages and parts of the system that Whatsapp can access (contacts etc)

Ofcourse the whole point of Whatsapp is secure communications and I guess the exploit makes that pointless.

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Absolutely. But no more naughty than USA or Israel, as far as I can tell.

Hmm, I don’t want to get into a state wickedness bidding war, but the US/Israel are democracies where you are unlikely to be eg locked up without a fair trial. Contrast with the fate of the Uighurs. In foreign policy it’s more balanced (supporting Syria vs Saudi Arabia) but even there, Russia is clearly trying to subvert foreign democracies. China is (perhaps reasonably) pushing for more power in Asia. And while the…

Story time.

A close friend of mine was held in custody in the US based on false accusations by a police officer.

The police officer later admitted the false accusations to the judge, that he just wanted to "scare him a bit". The judge nodded, proceeded to aquit him of all offenses exept the speeding ticket which he deserved, and off he went.

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I agree. Nobody should underestimate the Mossad: https://youtu.be/bJujIwtdk8w

From my favourite Usenix paper ( https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf ): Basically, you’re either dealing with Mossad or not-Mossad. If your adversary is not-Mossad, then you’ll probably be fine if you pick a good password and don’t respond to emails from ChEaPestPAiNPi11s@virus-basket.biz.ru. If your adversary is the Mossad, YOU’RE GONNA DIE AND THERE’S NOTHING THAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. The Mos…

Fun fact: The mossad ran a job ad on facebook a while ago, which involved a sequence of riddles. First discover a server based on some random seeming sequence of characters on an image. Then you had to solve a number of programming puzzles. I stopped at the third one, because I don't actually want to work there.
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