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VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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I'm completely clueless about electric engines so I was wondering if, besides range, there are other attributes one should look for in an electric car like HP and that kind of stuff? In other words, are all electric motors so similar that range is the only differentiator?

Some good discussion here, but I would just like to point out that the word engine is wrong for electric power units, they are always called motors.

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#132
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When did these issues start happening? I own a 2009 rabbit and have no faced any issues beyond routine maintenance. Guess I should knock on wood.

I've owned many VWs and Audis, and the 2008 Jetta I bought (albeit with a manual transmission) is still going strong. Not a single service issue, to date. It must have almost 200K miles.

Any tips on how to heel toe in this gen jetta? The pedals are so awkwardly placed...

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Ok how do you define luxury car.

Quality, amenities, service experience, stuff like that. Not making things inherently more dangerous is nice, too.

Model 3 is safest production car to the date, as most of the car components are integrated problems can be fixed remotely but still when you have to get to Service Center Tesla is notably improving it. Quality of Tesla drive train, battery, efficiency, supercharger network, software ecosystem, Autopilot (which is best driver assist system available now) .

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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The least expensive Model 3 in Germany is 57.900 EUR with 540km (wltp cycle) of range – part of this is that they've only been exporting the high margin long-range AWD models. The more expensive "First Edition" id.3 will have approx 425km of range for 35.000 > x Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…

Looking at Tesla Germany, Standard Range Plus is 44.5k euros, which includes partial premium interior and autopilot. The SR+ Model 3 is price competitive with Kia/Hyundai, so I'm skeptical that VW will be able to pull some rabbit out of a hat and change that.

Note there are Skoda and SEAT cars based on the same platform also coming soon, which are in many ways more obvious competitors for Kia/Hyundai. I would not expect the Volkswagen Group's VW product to be the low end of their pricing.

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#135

This is great news and now we need them to deliver (and not delay/back out). I hope they sell a ton. We really need an entrenched player to fully commit to selling EVs. If VW goes all-in, everyone else will have to follow suit. Tesla needs to keep the pressure on.

> We really need an entrenched player to fully commit to selling EVs. I don't feel that this is a problem because of California laws regarding EVs, forcing every manufacturer to sell more EVs every year.

Also the EU mandate to have a fleet average of 95g of CO2/km by 2021 (or, alternatively, large fines). We're seeing all the European manufacturers, including those that don't sell much/at all in the US and therefore CA, doubling down on EVs because they're an easy way to have a big affect on the average.

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#136
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After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…

I wouldn't do it because for some reason they thought it was ok to experiment gassing humans and monkeys.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/29/vw-condemne...

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Range Battery Cooling technology, steer clear of air cooled Charging rates Weight Cd From my view weight is the big limiting factor in EV efficiency at lower speeds and Cd becomes more important as you increase your speed to highway numbers and higher. Engines are important as the company Munro pointed out during their tear downs. They stated that Tesla had by far the most impressive EV motor they have seen based aro…

The interesting thing is that these motors are not made by Tesla.

Ps: What I was referring to is this: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27790/toyota-gears-up-to-becom...

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#138
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well those mandates aren't doing much: https://i2i.org/california-ev-mandates-fail/ i agree the comptetion between established players is required and hopefully leads to solutions to the main problem keeping many people in ICE over EV: range

That's a bit disingenuous. Without those mandates there would be a lot less auto manufacturers with EV models. CA has jump started the EV industry with those mandates. Could there be more EV owners? Sure, but this is still a huge improvement.

are you claiming Volkswagen is in the ev game because of california?

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

#139
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device#Timeline Good luck finding a car manufacturer that can deliver and isn't on that list.

Is Tesla too obvious to consider?

No, just somewhat irrelevant. The defeat device was installed on ICE engines to meet emissions and economy standards, standards which don't apply to electric cars. Since Telsa doesn't make any ICE cars, it's as easy to compare a bicycle to Volkswagen versus a Tesla. They're just in completely different conversations when it comes to emissions cheating, since they don't have any regulated emissions.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

#140
post #74

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Is Tesla too obvious to consider?

No, just somewhat irrelevant. The defeat device was installed on ICE engines to meet emissions and economy standards, standards which don't apply to electric cars. Since Telsa doesn't make any ICE cars, it's as easy to compare a bicycle to Volkswagen versus a Tesla. They're just in completely different conversations when it comes to emissions cheating, since they don't have any regulated emissions.

The statement was “Good luck finding a car manufacturer....” Tesla is a car manufacturer. Seems pretty relevant to me.
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