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Re: The Brave Browser Will Pay You to Surf the Web

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Post by nilkn »

manigandham wrote: post #23

Brave is just an intermediary that replaces ads with other ads. It's an adnetwork delivered as a browser that creates ad inventory on top of the page instead of within it. That being said, the tokens are basically worthless. This is not what the digital advertising industry wants and Brave is not going to get any decent advertisers with this. They'll end up with the same shady affiliate/performance marketers running…

Why is this such a bad thing, though? That's the critical part missing from your post. It seems to me that the idea is to replace unethical opt-out ads with ethical opt-in ads that don't track you.

Besides that, Brave is a browser first, currency layer/ad network second. It doesn't need advertisers. It needs users. The more users it has, the more value there is for advertisers too.

Re: The Brave Browser Will Pay You to Surf the Web

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Post by albedoa »

justsee wrote: post #116
arcticbull wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see how you might view it that way. On the other hand, let's say Chrome started replacing all non-Adsense ads on every site you visited with Adsense ads -- without notifying the webmaster no less. Then, if the content creator decided they'd like their cut of the revenue, they had to sign up for Adsense. And if they didn't, Google would just pocket it 90 days later. I don't think you'd be as sympathetic to Googl…

Your scenario doesn't reflect how Brave's model works at all - it just reflects various misconceptions on your part. Brave does not replace publisher ads with their own. Brave does not block first party ads. Google's search ads display. Facebook's ads display. Twitter's ads display. Brave does block other ads by default, and as a user agent, it's reflecting the valid, ethical choices of the user not to load the untru…

> Your scenario doesn't reflect how Brave's model works at all

Because he didn't exclude first-party ads? That's what you consider to be not reflective "at all"?

Just pretend he said "all non-Adsense third-party ads" and then educate us against whatever additional misconceptions you perceive him and us to hold.

Re: The Brave Browser Will Pay You to Surf the Web

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Post by swinglock »

RandomBacon wrote: post #83
justsee wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They publicised their research here (20%-40% battery savings on Android) : https://brave.com/brave-saves-batteries/

So Brave is better than FF with uBlock (which still displays ads). They did not test with uBlock Origin (which does not display ads). Brave may still do better, but I bet FF with uBlock Origin will do better than FF with uBlock.

The text does specify uBlock Origin, it seems they just shortened it in the graphs.

Re: The Brave Browser Will Pay You to Surf the Web

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Post by TylerE »

nilkn wrote: post #130
TylerE wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember Flooz?

Was Flooz a browser or just a digital currency? 1999 was a very different time as well for the internet. In particular, ads and trackers were not even remotely as pervasive and invasive.

It was an IE Toolbar, like everything back then

Re: The Brave Browser Will Pay You to Surf the Web

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

atomical wrote: post #72
RandomBacon wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the battery life of Brave comapred to Chrome with an ad-blocker ? How about the more privacy-respecting Firefox with an ad-blocker ?

If everyone uses either of your suggested options the publishers go broke and there is no content to view. Brave has a plan for that. So yes, they are farther along than any idea you have presented.

There are three kinds of websites: 1. Valuable websites with ads, 2. Valuable websites without ads, 3. Value-free websites with ads. You assume that the first is dominant, but I find it to be vanishingly rare and therefore embrace the death of ads and thus the end of clickbait and other worthless wastes of space that are only propped up by ads.

Re: The Brave Browser Will Pay You to Surf the Web

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Post by ralphstodomingo »

trevelyan wrote: post #93
manigandham wrote: post #23

Brave is just an intermediary that replaces ads with other ads. It's an adnetwork delivered as a browser that creates ad inventory on top of the page instead of within it. That being said, the tokens are basically worthless. This is not what the digital advertising industry wants and Brave is not going to get any decent advertisers with this. They'll end up with the same shady affiliate/performance marketers running…

I think Saito (saito.tech) has the better approach. Surely the problem with the Brave model isn't that they are hijacking the browser so much as that they're just replacing who is in the monopolistic position. Better to let anyone in the world setup an advertising network and let anyone receive adverts from anyone else.

Shouldn't you make a disclaimer you're part of their team?

Re: The Brave Browser Will Pay You to Surf the Web

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

ajmurmann wrote: post #68
hnaccy wrote: post #62

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>I think the privacy crowd drawn to Brave couldn't care less what the (current) digital advertising industry wants. Why would I use Brave over a modified Firefox install?

Does that work on mobile (only place I'm using Brave)?

I'm posting this from Firefox mobile with both ublock origin and umatrix active. It's wonderful. I hear people say that the scroll mechanics are weird, but I've never noticed that. I've also heard a claim that it's slower, which I couldn't comment on.

Re: The Brave Browser Will Pay You to Surf the Web

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Post by justsee »

albedoa wrote: post #132
justsee wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your scenario doesn't reflect how Brave's model works at all - it just reflects various misconceptions on your part. Brave does not replace publisher ads with their own. Brave does not block first party ads. Google's search ads display. Facebook's ads display. Twitter's ads display. Brave does block other ads by default, and as a user agent, it's reflecting the valid, ethical choices of the user not to load the untru…

> Your scenario doesn't reflect how Brave's model works at all Because he didn't exclude first-party ads? That's what you consider to be not reflective "at all"? Just pretend he said "all non-Adsense third-party ads" and then educate us against whatever additional misconceptions you perceive him and us to hold.

Because Brave does not replace publisher ads with their own.

Re: The Brave Browser Will Pay You to Surf the Web

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Post by shostack »

manigandham wrote: post #23

Brave is just an intermediary that replaces ads with other ads. It's an adnetwork delivered as a browser that creates ad inventory on top of the page instead of within it. That being said, the tokens are basically worthless. This is not what the digital advertising industry wants and Brave is not going to get any decent advertisers with this. They'll end up with the same shady affiliate/performance marketers running…

To be fair, the general cycle is that any ad network/publisher platform tends to get started with the shady affiliate and performance marketing scene, and then as they grow, they gradually get on the radar of more "reputable" advertisers, and eventually costs rise and they begin actively pushing the smaller ones out for brand safety reasons to let them drive up their CPMs for big brands.

Re: The Brave Browser Will Pay You to Surf the Web

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Post by tomc1985 »

atomical wrote: post #72
RandomBacon wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the battery life of Brave comapred to Chrome with an ad-blocker ? How about the more privacy-respecting Firefox with an ad-blocker ?

If everyone uses either of your suggested options the publishers go broke and there is no content to view. Brave has a plan for that. So yes, they are farther along than any idea you have presented.

> If everyone uses either of your suggested options the publishers go broke and there is no content to view.

Yay! Then things go back to nerds willing to pay for hosting. Then maybe the internet will go back to being an information resource rather than a machine for monetizing my attention and emotions

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