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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by john_teller02 »

elhudy wrote: post #91
bluntfang wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>free from cruelty. Do you mind if I ask what your requirements for this are? At the end of the day, isn't ending life cruel, no matter the means?

Not sure what OPs requirements are, but mine are along these lines: "If animals like free-range cows have lives that are not worth living, almost all wild animals could plausibly be thought to also have lives that are worse than non-existence. Nature is often romanticised as a well-balanced idyll, so this may seem counter-intuitive. But extreme forms of suffering like starvation, dehydration, or being eaten alive by…

Do human beings have to add to that suffering? Ask yourself.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by anyfoo »

balls187 wrote: post #40

pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, water, yeast extract, maltodextrin, natural flavors, gum arabic, sunflower oil, salt, succinic acid, acetic acid, non-GMO modified food starch, cellulose from bamboo, methylcellulose, potato starch, beet juice extract (for color), ascorbic acid (to maintain color), annatto extract (for color), citrus fruit extract (to maintain quality), vegetable…

Which ingredient are you objecting to? You literally listed water and salt there. Do you think there's no water or salt in beef? Do you know what's in your mass-produced beef?

If I listed the ingredients of a homemade cake, would you also put "vs Beef" next to it?

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by bdamm »

cknoxrun wrote: post #25
strict9 wrote: post #15

Cannot wait. A+ product that stores struggle to keep stocked. It's been a long time time since I've admired a company as much as this one.

A&W in Canada has a Beyond meat burger and a Beyond meat breakfast sausage sandwich. I go there semi-regularly (being the best fast food restaurant in Canada in my opinion) and I am astonished - almost every second person in line is ordering the Beyond meat option. Edit: Important to note that A&W Canada is completely independent from A&W in the U.S.

Also note that the burgers produced by A&W in the U.S. are complete trash almost every time, not comparable to A&W Canada which produces consistently delicious burgers.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by ArrayList »

balls187 wrote: post #40

pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, water, yeast extract, maltodextrin, natural flavors, gum arabic, sunflower oil, salt, succinic acid, acetic acid, non-GMO modified food starch, cellulose from bamboo, methylcellulose, potato starch, beet juice extract (for color), ascorbic acid (to maintain color), annatto extract (for color), citrus fruit extract (to maintain quality), vegetable…

> Beef

https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by bdamm »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #87
PerfectElement wrote: post #27

I've been vegan for 15 years, and I've tried all sorts of veggie burgers and mock meats available. Some of them are good, but pretty easy to tell they are not meat. When I first had the Beyond Burger last year (just plain with 2 thin slices of bread) it brought back a very strong memory of how meat used to taste. I wonder if most meat eaters would be able to tell it's not meat on a blind test. I'm curious to try the…

I'm a pretty shameless meat eater (I know...), and tried the Beyond Burger at Carl's a while back out of curiosity (not an outfit I visit often, I do try to stay local at least). Granted that Carl's loads their stuff up with ridiculous amounts of sauce as a way to mask their crappiness, but still ... I don't think I'd be able to reliably tell the difference in a blind test. Given a good burger from a high quality pub…

Second that. My taste test at Carl's led me to go back and eat it again. Yum!

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by radiorental »

telesilla wrote: post #77
Pfhreak wrote: post #3

I've gone vegetarian, except for a single grass fed animal I bought from a local farmer. (I live in a city, it was easier than I thought it would be to connect with a farmer out in the rural part of my state.) The transition was way, way easier than I thought it was going to be. I didn't guilt myself when I made mistakes, just stopped eating meat unless I was sure the provenance of it was sustainable and free from cr…

I'm with you. I haven't eaten red meat or birds for going on 25 years now and though I do enjoy a good salmon burger, I honestly prefer a beyond burger when I can find one (trying to cut down on the fish, for health and over-fishing reasons).

I wouldn't worry about over fishing Salmon, the vast majority are farmed now. You will know when you pay for wild Salmon.

Same is true for a number of other staples: Tilapia, Shrimp, Catfish, etc.

That said, similar to land based CAFO's you don't really want to know what they're fed (o;

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by elhudy »

meowface wrote: post #119
elhudy wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what OPs requirements are, but mine are along these lines: "If animals like free-range cows have lives that are not worth living, almost all wild animals could plausibly be thought to also have lives that are worse than non-existence. Nature is often romanticised as a well-balanced idyll, so this may seem counter-intuitive. But extreme forms of suffering like starvation, dehydration, or being eaten alive by…

His point about wild animals is very accurate, but that's not considering that animals bred in captivity ("free"-range or otherwise) would not have been if not for meat demand. It's debatable whether non-existence is preferable to being raised and then killed, but the dichotomy isn't between wild animals vs. free-range animals. I think this is more an argument for an eventual plan to deal with wild animal suffering (…

>His point about wild animals is very accurate, but that's not considering that animals bred in captivity ("free"-range or otherwise) would not have been if not for meat demand. It's debatable whether non-existence is preferable to being raised and then killed, but the dichotomy isn't between wild animals vs. free-range animals

The idea is is as follows. Might be worth just reading the article:

"If ethical vegetarians believed animals have lives that are unpleasant but still better than non-existence, they would focus on reducing harm to these animals without reducing their numbers, for instance by supporting humane slaughter or buying meat from free-range cows.

I will argue that if vegetarians were to apply this principle consistently, wild animal suffering would dominate their concerns, and may lead them to be stringent anti-environmentalists."

http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2016/03/oxford-uehiro-p...

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by ehsankia »

rayiner wrote: post #22
somethoughts wrote: post #11

I've always thought two things: - Subway should have leaned into their use of soy in their deli meat [1] and came in from the high end with it being the more expensive, high end, healthier, better for the environment product - There should be high end burger chain which give you an eighth of a pound real meat burger patty for taste reasons and an eighth of a pound vegetarian patty for health and environment reasons.…

> If everyone switched to such a solution, we could could our greenhouse gas emissions from burger production in half. We'd be eating less tasty burgers for no real reason. Even eliminating meat farming entirely would only reduce the average American's GHG emissions by about 3%: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/climate/cows-global-warmi... .

> We'd be eating less tasty burgers for no real reason

I'm curious, have you actually tried these (especially the newer versions)? Honestly they're getting close to indistinguishable.

Honestly, GHG aside, I'd be excited for when this scales up and becomes cheaper and easier to produce than real beef.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by dsl »

8ytecoder wrote: post #105
dsl wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Published figures suggest that, in Australia, producing wheat and other grains results in: at least 25 times more sentient animals being killed per kilogram of useable protein" http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-ther...

WTF, most animals that are farmed are fed agricultural produce - crops that are cultivated. It's simple math that it's inefficient to grow crops -> feed the animals -> eat the animals. There's efficiency loss at every step. Are you seriously claiming that eating meat is better than being vegetarian?

Eating grazing animals is more humane per unit of protein than industrial crops or factory farming.
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