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Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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Re: Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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>they sell their ability to know everything about you to anyone willing to pay for that information Can you prove this? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that's a real whopper of a claim.

It's not an extraordinary claim, it's literally what google claim to do by selling targeted ads.

It's somewhat concerning that anyone would consider it an extraordinary claim.

I wonder how it is that they think Google rationalises providing so many free or below cost products to consumers?

Edit: downvoted without response. K.

Re: Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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Even without Google or Apple, they police have the cell service providers. In the case of the Austin bomber from a year ago[0], police got cell tower records from the multiple bombings and figured out who was at all the locations. Cell phones are little trackers unless you turn them off or don't carry one. [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna85...

Since you work at Google, do you have any knowledge about Sensorvault? Where does the data come from?

I have zero knowledge about this thing, I know as much as you do. I can talk all day about the payments ecosystem though. :)

Google does publish a bit how they handle data requests.

https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/7381738...

There was an article a couple months ago about reverse location search warrants.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/technology/2019/02/re...

Re: Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>they sell their ability to know everything about you to anyone willing to pay for that information Can you prove this? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that's a real whopper of a claim.

It's not an extraordinary claim, it's literally what google claim to do by selling targeted ads.

Where do I buy this user data? I would like to purchase it. dleslie claims they will sell it to "anyone willing to pay for that information".

> it's literally what google claim to do

It's literally the opposite of what Google claims to do.

https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/

Re: Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an extraordinary claim, it's literally what google claim to do by selling targeted ads.

Where do I buy this user data? I would like to purchase it. dleslie claims they will sell it to "anyone willing to pay for that information". > it's literally what google claim to do It's literally the opposite of what Google claims to do. https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/

Please be more charitable with your interpretation if you want to debate the merits of what is being claimed.

> they sell their ability to know everything about you to anyone willing to pay for that information

This does not actually claim they will sell you a copy of the raw data. That is Google’s “crown jewels” and they protect it fairly well, although not always perfectly.

In the past you could see the query on a referral URL. In the past you could see PII coming through this way as well. You could target ads against this PII, etc.

But anyway, what Google does is let you target ads based on their absolute knowledge of the user. What you are Searching for, where you are Searching for it, etc.

Google tracks you incensently so that they can more effectively sell things to you, or sell others the ability to sell things to you.

But increasingly it seems that Google tracks its users just because it can. Just in case that clickstream or that app history or that voice recording might become useful someday. Google tracks you like a paranoid government might track its citizens, afraid that some scrap of data might come back one day to be useful in its almighty question for [control / dollars / training an AI / optimization / whatever].

The nominal cost of storing one more piece of metadata is zero, the potential future value seemingly limitless, and perhaps the fear of Management asking for some piece of data you didn’t think to record is so great, they seem to just record all the things.

Re: Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an extraordinary claim, it's literally what google claim to do by selling targeted ads.

Where do I buy this user data? I would like to purchase it. dleslie claims they will sell it to "anyone willing to pay for that information". > it's literally what google claim to do It's literally the opposite of what Google claims to do. https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/

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Re: Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do I buy this user data? I would like to purchase it. dleslie claims they will sell it to "anyone willing to pay for that information". > it's literally what google claim to do It's literally the opposite of what Google claims to do. https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/

Please be more charitable with your interpretation if you want to debate the merits of what is being claimed. > they sell their ability to know everything about you to anyone willing to pay for that information This does not actually claim they will sell you a copy of the raw data. That is Google’s “crown jewels” and they protect it fairly well, although not always perfectly. In the past you could see the query on a…

>This does not actually claim they will sell you a copy of the raw data.

That's fair. That was my misreading of their original comment. I'm so used to seeing this misinformation I took it as just another example.

>But anyway, what Google does is let you target ads based on their absolute knowledge of the user.

That's right. The page I linked from Google is actually very transparent about how it works.

Re: Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do I buy this user data? I would like to purchase it. dleslie claims they will sell it to "anyone willing to pay for that information". > it's literally what google claim to do It's literally the opposite of what Google claims to do. https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/

Please be more charitable with your interpretation if you want to debate the merits of what is being claimed. > they sell their ability to know everything about you to anyone willing to pay for that information This does not actually claim they will sell you a copy of the raw data. That is Google’s “crown jewels” and they protect it fairly well, although not always perfectly. In the past you could see the query on a…

Thank you, you said it better than I would have.

Re: Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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I turned off almost all tracking in Android a while ago, but never scanned the data it collected. I recently looked at what data was associated with my Google account, and there I saw: every voice command I ever issued my phone, and when I used what app. I could see at 9:30am I opened my camera app. I can see I viewed a notification at 9:45am. And so on. I deleted it all, but my guess is it probably still lives somew…

And I think most people just don't realise. My grandmother was setting up a new Kindle Fire tablet recently, and asked me "Do I want to set up Alexa?". I just said "Do you want Amazon having a recording of everything you say to it?", and she replied, "Oh, no I don't then", but I doubt it had even crossed her mind before.

Re: Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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post #132
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you work at Google, do you have any knowledge about Sensorvault? Where does the data come from?

I have zero knowledge about this thing, I know as much as you do. I can talk all day about the payments ecosystem though. :) Google does publish a bit how they handle data requests. https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/7381738... There was an article a couple months ago about reverse location search warrants. https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/technology/2019/02/re...

Thank you! That was helpful.

Re: Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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only if you have that feature turned on. Google also records data outside of maps and timeline, IIRC. I imagine you can always access your complete location history by exporting it from Google's take out feature.

From the article, it sounds like the history you have access to is the same that was used for the dragnet searches.

right, I'm saying that turning off Google timeline doesn't stop Google from tracking your location.
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