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Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by mrguyorama »

mirimir wrote: post #91
dragonwriter wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business" I really don't want a government that ruthlessly cuts costs that don't drive revenue and uses all mechanisms within reach to maximize lock-in and extract monopoly rents from customers.

Wasn't that a Trump campaign theme? But anyway, it's not new. That was a lot of that maybe a century ago in the US.

That was the words that came out of Trump's mouth, but not what his supporters heard

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

trendoid wrote: post #32
WhompingWindows wrote: post #19

Does anyone here have thoughts about the quality of candidates as it relates to their ages (i.e. comparing late 70's Bernie/Biden and these younger candidates)? While I like the policies of Bernie, for instance, I ideally would prefer someone who doesn't have a high % likelihood of serious medical issues in the next 4 years of their life. Is there an age that is too old to be a CEO/President/Senator/leading figure? A…

>Are they necessarily too likely to be out of touch, lacking in resiliency, being forward-looking, or any of the factors we look for in our leaders? Possibly but at this point, any Democratic leader would be waaay more forward looking, less out of touch and more dedicated to their job than the incompetent incumbent president. So as long as Bernie brings more people to vote than Yang or Buttigieg, all these considerat…

> any Democratic leader would be waaay more forward looking, less out of touch and more dedicated to their job than the incompetent incumbent president.

"I don't like the current President"

FTFY

The final options last go-around weren't very good on either side.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by jrs235 »

dev_dull wrote: post #6
yumraj wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, didn't we just elect another business person and see where we are. Like it or not, we need politicians who can work across the aisle and actually get things done.

A booming economy with low inflation and low unemployment?

"low inflation" ... not if you include assets (stocks, houses, education, health[care], etc.) that are not included in the "official" inflation calculations.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by dictum »

danso wrote: post #121

I don't have strong opinions or awareness of Yang's platform, nor have I gone out of my way to learn much about him, other than seeing the random sensational stories that pop up on my feed (e.g. his thoughts about circumcisions, wrt health policy). But knowing little of his background (e.g. career, wealth, any other attempts at politics), I think it's cool as hell he acted on what must have been a wild "what if" idea…

Not sure that's a goal of his, but in many countries a candidate will enter the primaries (or the general election, in a minor party) campaigning on a single issue, and then join the government later as a secretary (or minister) to either implement some version of the policy or prepare for its implementation in the future.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by gamblor956 »

salimmadjd wrote: post #109

I've been following how Buttigieg's rise has been manufactured by 1-2 insiders. Mainly David Axelrod. He did a SXSW town hall. I watched Tulsi Gabbard (disclosure, I volunteer for her a bit) first and then tried to watch Mayor Pete, as he is called. He basically bombed the first 20 min. The period that any viewers would try to give the candidate any chance to better understand them. He was just a bit too nervous, he…

You say he bombed the first 20 minutes...but how did he do the rest of the town hall?

Plenty of people into politics will give a candidate more than 20 minutes to make their case, especially now that they've seen what happens when you make emotional snap judgments about who you vote for.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by mrguyorama »

awinder wrote: post #101
justaguyhere wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't seen this "run govt like a business" idea outside the U.S (or maybe I just missed it). Biz and govt are two separate things, I don't understand how one can be run like the other. Sure, there are some overlaps, but thats about it. Can someone explain?

One of the major political factions in the US has spent decades at this point deriding career politicians. It's been a decent strategy inside of that faction, but other factions point out that career politicians actually develop tools to get shit done (as any career-minded individual would). So at some point you have to combat the argument that you're running inexperienced individuals vs. experienced individuals, and…

A reminder that the political faction spending decades deriding career politicians is mostly made up of career politicians

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by Alex3917 »

bilbo0s wrote: post #116
Alex3917 wrote: post #93

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IMHO Yang has much better odds that Buttigieg. Mayor Pete is just blowing up right now because he had a CNN town hall, but he doesn't seem to have a lot of depth of policy and that's going to hurt him a lot as we get into the debates and then going forward. Whereas Yang hasn't yet had much mainstream media exposure, but has a lot of depth to his policies.

> but he doesn't seem to have a lot of depth of policy... ??? Are you saying that you believe people will be out there voting based on who has the best policies? Serious question. As a matter of full disclosure, I, personally, don't believe that's how elections work. I think people vote for the guy or gal they like who also has the ideas they feel most comfortable with. Not the guy or gal they like the best . (Althou…

I mean people vote based on brand, and having good policies is one way to build a brand. There are lots of other ways, E.g. Bernie and Trump both have good brands, but they are completely different.

But regardless, the debates are going to weed out the candidates who lack substantive policies unless they have a good brand built on something else.

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Post by Gibbon1 »

omalleyt wrote: post #61
rdiddly wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not so sympathetic to that idea in the first place. A business, particularly a corporation, is one of the most authoritarian structures ever devised. If the government were like a business, every citizen would be either an asset to be exploited or a liability to be eliminated.

Citizens would be the shareholders

> shareholders

Shareholders have zero say in how modern corporations are run.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by fdjlasdfjl »

justaguyhere wrote: post #63
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

I haven't seen this "run govt like a business" idea outside the U.S (or maybe I just missed it). Biz and govt are two separate things, I don't understand how one can be run like the other. Sure, there are some overlaps, but thats about it. Can someone explain?

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Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by js2 »

randomacct3847 wrote: post #117
js2 wrote: post #69

I really like Buttigieg. He honestly seems to be doing this because he wants to serve America. I’m working my way through his book and I’m very impressed by his eloquence and clarity of thought. Also, I think as a mayor he embodies the entrepreneurial spirit. He was classmates with Mark Zuckerberg. I submitted this interview the other day: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/a-long-talk-with-demo... I think it’s a…

How was he classmates with Zuckerberg? He’s 4ish years older than Zuck.

Jan '82, May '84 is 2.5ish years. Buttigieg entered Harvard Fall 2000. Not sure when Zuckerberg entered.
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