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Why Bother with What Three Words?

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Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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But at least they tell you that it starts at $150K/year so you know right off the bat if it's even in your ballpark. A lot of SaaS products completely hide thier pricing entirely. I have zero interest in sitting through some sales-bro's phone pitch before I know if I'm even in the right pricing bracket. Nothing like sitting through an hour long preso only to find out afterwards something is 10x what you were looking…

Do they now? They certainly didn't at the time a few years ago. I at the time found some prices online searching around but nothing from them. We were very hopeful we'd get some sort of discount because we're in educational tech, so our income per user is very low, but nope. Free to $100k overnight is insane. We’ve got a guy whose full time job now is basically developing analytics tools for us and it’s a cheaper sol…

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Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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There is another big problem with W3W that Terence doesn’t mention: it isn’t scalar. From another W3W-criticism blog post ( https://mwfrost.com/space-is-scalar.html ): “An addressing system is successful insofar as it enables us to execute the suite of cognitive tasks that constitute navigation. Associating a destination with its location on the earth is only one of these chores. “If you have a powerful computer in y…

How does Google's Plus codes fair in comparison with W3W? It's apparently open-source: https://plus.codes/developers

Here's a link to a Wiki page, in the repo for Open Location Code (prior name for Plus Codes), where they compare it against numerous location encoding systems including W3W.

https://github.com/google/open-location-code/wiki/Evaluation...

For W3W, they say:

- The codes may be pseudo-randomly generated and so nearby places may have completely different codes.

- It may be possible for multiple people to apply for codes for the same location and for different codes to be generated.

- Making a mistake with a code may simply display somewhere else - for example, on What3Words, "banana rabbit monkey" is a location in Argentina, "banana monkey rabbit" is in Russia.

- [It charges] money either for granting a code, for resolving codes or for allowing users to select their own short code.

- [It does] not work offline and [has] a single provider.

Plus Codes has respective advantages for each of these points, i.e., it's not proprietary; can be encoded/decoded offline; nearby places have similar codes; codes can be made longer for more accuracy; excludes easily confused characters; etc. Overall I found the article makes a convincing case for Plus Codes.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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post #14

Why don't you just make an open alternative is this is so disconcerting to you?

Google maps now includes plus codes which are open so I don't think W3W stands a chance anyway. Not should they. It's an idea you can implement in half an hour. It doesn't need to be a commercial business.

w3w has been around for a few years, and it hasn't caught on, so it's fair to say it's pretty much just a zombie of an idea now.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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There are plenty of alternatives to W3W, most notably Open Location Codes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Location_Code Alternatively, try a W3W parody: https://what3emojis.com/ http://www.what3fucks.com (NSFW text)

Out of interest here's a list of alternatives and why they're worse than plus codes: https://github.com/google/open-location-code/wiki/Evaluation...

MGRS and UTM are missing from these comparisons. They're commonly used systems in North America and exist for easier human reasoning and communication about coordinates, so they'd be good to include.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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W3W suffers horribly from "call for price". You won't catch Google or Amazon making you call and talk to a human being (on GMT time no less) before figuring out if you can afford their service. I'm preparing my own version, truly open source (though with a premium component), with the following improvements over W3W: •Length-optimized. If one character sufficiently describes your location, you don't need to tack on e…

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Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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W3W suffers horribly from "call for price". You won't catch Google or Amazon making you call and talk to a human being (on GMT time no less) before figuring out if you can afford their service. I'm preparing my own version, truly open source (though with a premium component), with the following improvements over W3W: •Length-optimized. If one character sufficiently describes your location, you don't need to tack on e…

What benefit do you have over Plus Codes (https://plus.codes/)? I only learned about them from this thread, but they seem to solve the problem quite well, and there's no premium component.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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post #27

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Not OP, but I'd expect that it is because W3W is a basically a marketing campaign for a technology that doesn't actually solve a problem (or, more precisely, solves one corner of a problem while destroying many much broader solutions) Creating a knock-off that solves the OS problems still fails to recover from the broader problems that the W3W 'solution' provides zero ability to actually navigate without a continuous…

OP reads as if their main issue is the lack of inherent openness. All I'm saying is make an open alternative if is really so bothering to OP.

Yes, I agree that the article spends waay too much print on the lack of openness, and too little on the fact that W3W is just a bad idea that solves nothing.

So, yes, if that was his only problem, he should definitely organize an open version. (it'd just be a bit less pointless)

BTW, did you see this? Somebody posted it above and it is hilarious - especially the Vision, Facts, etc pages...

http://www.what3fucks.com/

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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Mostly off topic: I would like a URL shortener that uses a similar system so that instead of giving me small.url/b3DmQ it would be small.url/MouseHatDoor because I will sometimes share a link with my students and there is always one student who can't get it to work because they type it wrong or something. I can send them the link through a course announcement but it is more convenient to put a short url on screen and…

The NATO alphabet is worth learning for just these situations.
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