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Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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"Yet someone is paying for this major social media propaganda push that anti-vaxxers are all low IQ deplorables who kill their own children." Why would people be paying for this? There are probably millions of people out there who would be willing to say something similar without payment.

Because it ostracizes 'anti-vaxxers' as a group and creates a 'them' or 'us' mentality. Vaccines aren't 100% safe, there's been something like $4 billion paid out in compensation for them, and to get compensation you have to legally absolve them of liability and keep the media out of it! But by pushing the narrative and ridiculing anyone who asks legitimate questions the pharmaceutical companies bury that and no-one…

As a counter point: Vaccines aren’t a big profit center for big pharma. They are expensive to develop and most people need only one to three shots for 10 years or a lifetime.

On the other hand, there is hormonal contraception, which is indeed a great profit center, because people need it every day (or a hormonal IUD, which is good for 3-5 years, but also a lot more expensive).

And now read news reports about all the nasty side effects of the pill. There was a big shift around 2016 and since then, there are media reports all the time. Nothing is put under the carpet here, although I think, economically speaking, it would make much more sense to “manipulate the media” that hormonal contraceptives have no side effects than manipulating the media about vaccines.

And the number of people affected is even less than with vaccines (only women in a certain age and not all of them vs. basically all children and many adults). So it should even be easier to manipulate the media about the non-existence of side-effects of the pill (of which stuff like thrombosis is deadly).

I know, just because one thing isn’t manipulated, everything about vaccines could still be manipulated, but I don’t buy it. Follow the money – doesn’t seem that lucrative.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Maybe because there is nothing stupider than having people die from from preventable diseases due to bunk science?

Again, pitchforks down -- devil's advocate, but why is the topic not open for any discussion at all? Isn't that what defines a religion?

Deprogramming people from anti-vax lies is hard, it's impossible for everyone to be an expert on the immune system and to grasp the nuances of the policy issues involved. Uninformed layman level discussion of the issue spreads lethal memes.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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I'm invested because I'm planning on having a kid. For the first year of my next kid's life there is no vaccine that can protect him/her from disease, except everybody else getting vaccinated.

If I understand correctly, nursing can give some immunity. Note well: I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV.

It is statistically significant, but it still isn't much: odds are against the baby who gets disease.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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there's a reason however: the limitation comes from our constitution and changing that requires a supermajority that hardly any government had in the last decades. Art. 34. La scuola è aperta a tutti. L'istruzione inferiore, impartita per almeno otto anni, è obbligatoria e gratuita. "(public) schooling is open to everyone" "primary instruction, covering at least eight years, is mandatory and free of charge" there's b…

As an Italian I don't want that article changed for ANY reason. The possibility to exploit any conditionality in art.34 both as an excuse to avoid mandatory education and for privatization of the public school system is really too high. Public schooling must remain free and mandatory without any exemption or special case.

That is actually an interesting case, if you have a child with severe immunity deficiency, should you be forced to send them to a public school with vaccinated children?

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Not even sure you can home school children in Italy. I don't think so, schooling is mandatory up to a certain age. Anyway, I've never heard of anyone doing it.

Ok, I've checked. Apparently it's possible through some very loose interpretation of the law and some additional, and relatively recent, act of the government, which among other things mandates that the parents providing homeschooling need to prove their "financial and technical ability" to do so. Which sounds pretty unlikely since the public school teachers are pretty specialized. In practice in Italy it's such a ma…

Having attended a public school where is was bullied and my time wasted by terrible teachers, I would have been much, much better of being home schooled.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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In the USA, we have the idea of "informed consent" with regards to medical treatments. The ideal standard is that the doctor tells you what you have, and what ways there are to treat/manage it. Doing nothing is also an answer. Vaccines are no different: some vaccines have some rather nasty side effects. Except in this country, under 42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22, "No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action f…

That law nearly convinced me vaccines were dangerous (after all, why do you otherwise need the law), but the issue is that juries were far too eager to award damages for useless cases, so it would have been unprofitable to make vaccines.
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