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The Weight I Carry

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Re: The Weight I Carry

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Post by ashtonbaker »

adrianN wrote: post #51
cflewis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can not give you more +1s. If your goal is to be healthy, and not necessarily be pretty, exercise is integral. You can be skinny and be unhealthy. You can be overweight and be heart-healthy, if you exercise. I am obese according to the BMI, but I run 3 times a week and my resting heart rate grazes into the "athlete" territory. My doctor is very happy. But I don't look it, that's for sure. I do not like running. I s…

Are you concerned about your joints? Running is pretty hard on the knees even for skinny people.

I have always felt that this is a myth or misconception. Humans probably evolved as distance-running specialists [1] so it would be pretty strange if our knees were some sort of exhaustible resource as seems to be the popular idea. If people have trouble with their knees, I think there are lots of potential explanations, for example running too far or too fast before building fitness, which includes conditioning of stabilizer muscles in the knees, or poor running form caused by lack of fitness or encouraged by modern running shoes. I'm a bit biased, but I don't like to see the sport of running blamed for these things.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_running_hypothesis

Re: The Weight I Carry

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Post by ashtonbaker »

jriot wrote: post #129
johnkpaul wrote: post #2

I've been 400 pounds most of my life. I empathize with every single sentence in this article and cannot imagine making myself write something like this. The vulnerability is incredible. I'm really glad that exercise is being called out as useless to treat obesity more and more. I hope that trend continues and things like Michelle Obama's "Let's Move" campaigns never happen again. Carbohydrate addiction is no joke, ev…

Exercise, also known as moving your body beyond walking, is the most basic instinct every animal has, yet humans have deprived themselves of this basic principle.

Absolutely! You can put a hamster wheel in a field, and wild animals will use it for fun. The 24-hour record for a wild mouse is 19 miles!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamster_wheel

Re: The Weight I Carry

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Post by adrianN »

ashtonbaker wrote: post #131
adrianN wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you concerned about your joints? Running is pretty hard on the knees even for skinny people.

I have always felt that this is a myth or misconception. Humans probably evolved as distance-running specialists [1] so it would be pretty strange if our knees were some sort of exhaustible resource as seems to be the popular idea. If people have trouble with their knees, I think there are lots of potential explanations, for example running too far or too fast before building fitness, which includes conditioning of s…

Humans also evolved to be pretty much useless after their children (or maybe grandchildren) are self-sufficient, so being mostly immobile in your fifties is probably of little concern to evolution.

Re: The Weight I Carry

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Post by amriksohata »

chrisseaton wrote: post #6
amriksohata wrote: post #3

Watch the Fed up documentary, explains it so well that no matter how much we try, exercising and eating less wont work. Our environment is saturated with products now which almost all have added sugar, only way is to look at ingredients and change your environment, dont bring these things home and instead bring better stuff home thats not got added sugar.

> no matter how much we try, exercising and eating less won't work How can that be? If you burn more calories and you take in less calories, then surely at some point your body must start to lose mass. At very least is the equation that you're breathing out carbon and you're not getting that mass back from anything apart from what you eat.

I'm taking about sustainable living not crash dieting as one offs which most people can't maintain

Re: The Weight I Carry

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Post by tomcam »

vanderZwan wrote: post #34
bko wrote: post #13

I found this study from 1973 interesting where an extremely obese individual performed a supervised fast for about a year and dropped from 456 to 180 pounds. > A 27-year-old male patient fasted under supervision for 382 days and has subsequently maintained his normal weight. Blood glucose concentrations around 30 mg/100 ml were recorded consistently during the last 8 months, although the patient was ambulant and atte…

While not this obese, I have gone through a similar experience in the last couple of years where medication almost completely suppressed my hunger trigger. As a result I kind of "accidentally" did intermittent fasting for over a year. My BMI went from 31 to 24 in the span of half a year, at which point my colleagues were getting worried because of the rapid weight loss and I started to rationally force myself to eat…

Obviously I have to know what the medication was!

Re: The Weight I Carry

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Post by woodandsteel »

RealityVoid wrote: post #123
woodandsteel wrote: post #122

Here's my understanding, based on a fair amount of reading and thought. First of all, condemning someone for being fat is rarely if ever useful. In terms of what is useful the first thing is that people need to be eating a diet that is very low in processed carbohydrates, with lots of fiber and moderately low calorie foods, and they should eat until they are full, instead of counting calories. Now people's bodies are…

> and they should eat until they are full, instead of counting calories. I am curious why you say this. In my experience counting calories works great to put into perspective the caloric cost of everything you consume. You don't have to always do it, but do it for a while and you can eyeball pretty well if you can or cannot handle something in your diet.

Be aware of calorie content of different foods is essential for choosing a healthy diet. But what people usually mean by counting calories is setting a goal for how many calories you eat a day, and then eating only that much, even if it leaves you hungry. That does not work over the long term for most people.

What does work much more often is focusing on eating foods that are filling but low or moderate in calories, and eating when hungry.

Re: The Weight I Carry

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Post by misiti3780 »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #81
misiti3780 wrote: post #59

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how long did it take you to go into ketosis - im on day 10 and still havnt not gone in (im not really overweight)

How are you testing... urine strips? For me, I can feel the difference in my brain when I change over. It's subtle, but I'd compare it to the change in feeling when you drink caffeine after not drinking it for too long.

blood.

Re: The Weight I Carry

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Post by misiti3780 »

Frondo wrote: post #89
misiti3780 wrote: post #59

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how long did it take you to go into ketosis - im on day 10 and still havnt not gone in (im not really overweight)

How strict are you being with carbs?

< 20 grams per day, basically all i eat is broccoli rabe and grilled chicken. maybe im not eating enough fat.

Re: The Weight I Carry

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Post by misiti3780 »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #81
misiti3780 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how long did it take you to go into ketosis - im on day 10 and still havnt not gone in (im not really overweight)

How are you testing... urine strips? For me, I can feel the difference in my brain when I change over. It's subtle, but I'd compare it to the change in feeling when you drink caffeine after not drinking it for too long.

im also drinking exogenous ketones too now

Re: The Weight I Carry

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Post by Frondo »

misiti3780 wrote: post #138
Frondo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How strict are you being with carbs?

< 20 grams per day, basically all i eat is broccoli rabe and grilled chicken. maybe im not eating enough fat.

Too much protein can also kick you off/keep you off keto.

Definitely up the fat, especially cause grilled chicken won't be particularly fatty itself...

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