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Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#131
post #98

DC had a scooter death a couple months ago marking among the first in the country: https://dc.curbed.com/2018/9/26/17905378/electric-scooter-de... The wheels are way too small for some of the pot holes in cities.

Involving a car. I wonder if these scooters will cause a death anytime soon without needing to use a car. That would be much more interesting.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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post #110
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"don't directly use fossil fuels" Looks like Maryland uses a significant amount of coal to power their grid, so is this even a good thing?

Yes, because in the long term electric vehicles consolidate fossil fuel emissions to a single large point (coal in this case) which can be eventually replaced with a clean energy source (i.e. solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, etc.).

Also coal powerplants run much more efficiently than a car engine.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#133
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe some parking areas for cars can be replaced in favor of scooters and bikes in certain places. Its interesting how we accept that cars are allowed to park nearly everywhere in cities. It's just normal - scooter and bikes will be a new normal also. But hopefully not in addition but instead of cars in some areas.

Santa Monica has a TON of parking laws. You certainly can NOT just park your car anywhere you want. Pretty much every parking spot available in the city has rules - how long you can park there, how much you have to pay to park there, who is allowed to park there, what permits you need, etc. We have NONE of this for scooters. We need these same rules for scooters that we have for cars.

Yes, rules, but probably not the same rules. Allocating space for scooter parking should be a lot easier than for cars, so fewer rules should be needed.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#134
post #50

These scooters and scooter companies seem pretty divisive, especially on HN. I understand they're operating in grey areas, I guess kinda like Uber before them, but they are causing (I think) positive disruption. I personally love these scooters. I'm living in Australia now where we don't have them. But last month I took a 3 week road trip from LAX to DC and back so I could hit cities I hadn't been to before. And in m…

Helmet laws for adults tend to reduce riders' willingness to use these services because they create inconvenience. In my opinion people should have the choice of whether or not to wear a helmet. Personally, I usually wear a helmet, but if I happen to not have mine with me it won't stop me from taking a bike or scooter. Having good situational awareness of surrounding cars, pedestrians, and other road users as well as…

Yeah, there are unintended consequences with requiring helmets. Fewer people ride bikes, which means less exercise and more car usage. Affecting health and the environment.

Here's a good look at that for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhMEkMtLy0

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#135
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Remind me again why they are allowed to litter all the public sidewalks and street corners with their scooters? Regulation hasn't caught up yet?

> litter all the public sidewalks Is it really that big of a nuisance? You literally walk around them, I don't see the issue. You should give them a ride one day to "see what all the fuss is about." They really are an incredible idea and allowing them to be "parked" anywhere is one of its main appeals.

Sidewalks aren't always wide enough to support foot traffic and parked scooters. I live in a residential part of a major city, with sidewalks designed a century ago, and a Bird (usually a cluster of them) is long enough to block 2/3 of the walking area.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#136
post #50

These scooters and scooter companies seem pretty divisive, especially on HN. I understand they're operating in grey areas, I guess kinda like Uber before them, but they are causing (I think) positive disruption. I personally love these scooters. I'm living in Australia now where we don't have them. But last month I took a 3 week road trip from LAX to DC and back so I could hit cities I hadn't been to before. And in m…

Helmets are important (I always wear one,) however, government ought not force people to wear them. Freedom still should matter. Grown adults should be able to make their own decisions. I support helmet laws for the under 18 crowd, but for grown adults? Too much nanny state for my liking.

One reason people might disagree is that you're pushing the externality of your own safety onto others. An example of an externality: those who don't wear helmets and crash are much more likely to have a brain injury (or death). This means that we all have to pay for your care now. In death (lack of taxes) or in financial damage. And in some cases like safety standards, people will also argue for emotional safety as well. Your death or injury could have a severe affect on those surrounding you even if you don't care but that's less measurable.

Freedom is complicated when you don't live in a silo.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#137
post #50

These scooters and scooter companies seem pretty divisive, especially on HN. I understand they're operating in grey areas, I guess kinda like Uber before them, but they are causing (I think) positive disruption. I personally love these scooters. I'm living in Australia now where we don't have them. But last month I took a 3 week road trip from LAX to DC and back so I could hit cities I hadn't been to before. And in m…

Personally, I love the scooters and bikes these companies provide and I think you make a really good point about them being a positive disruption. It's pretty clear that there is a growing demand for ways to get around other than driving yourself. Lyft and Uber are great for covering distances, but have their issues. In busy metro areas it can often be quicker to walk than it is to drive if you're only going a mile a…

I visited Sacramento from the Bay Area recently, and the Jump bikes were a revelation. It seems to me that electric-assist bikes are an easier sell safety-wise than scooters (bike lanes often already exist). I’m from Austin Tx and I really hope that the electric assist bikes see widespread adoption there, especially given the horrific traffic and historical resistance to public transit there (biking in the summer there is a hard sell, and it seems to me that electric assist could reduce the number of cars on the road)

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#138
post #50

These scooters and scooter companies seem pretty divisive, especially on HN. I understand they're operating in grey areas, I guess kinda like Uber before them, but they are causing (I think) positive disruption. I personally love these scooters. I'm living in Australia now where we don't have them. But last month I took a 3 week road trip from LAX to DC and back so I could hit cities I hadn't been to before. And in m…

I think the big issue that most people have with them is the large externality of having scooters littered around the sidewalk. In a lot of places in West Los Angeles, you are having to step around them constantly if you walk down the street. People literally just drop them in the middle of the sidewalk, because there is no incentive for them to not do that. This means that everyone who doesn't use the service has to…

Curious thought: Disincentivize bad behavior. Scooter companies know who the last user was, so they could develop techniques to apply "parking violations." Whether that means GPS-enabled (sufficient resolution?) or crowdsourced (next rider taking picture) doesn't really matter. But this is like the automobile equivalent of a parking ticket.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#139
A lot of this evaluation assumes the price stays the same. $1 + 15 cents a minute.

I think we'll see prices come down 80%. These scooter companies will face more competition than uber and Lyft do because people are happy grabbing the first scooter they see when walking.

My personal scooter costs a third of a cent per mile of electricity + $350 to buy it. I'm at 150 miles so far, and could easily see this thing lasting a few thousand. So ~20 cents a mile.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#140
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"don't directly use fossil fuels" Looks like Maryland uses a significant amount of coal to power their grid, so is this even a good thing?

Even so, this is still a win. 1. Scooters use far less energy than larger vehicles. 2. Generating energy from fossil fuels can be done more efficiently at a power plant than in a small engine. 3. When power generation is centralized, it is easier to substitute it for better, more efficient forms in the future.

does this calculus still work if each scooter only lasts 3 months, as is stated in the article?
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