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Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Post by Jabbles »

mindgam3 wrote: post #79

Reposting this from a comment thread below which mentions the chess.com "what would have happened" computer playoff, as I think the HN community (who are far more well versed in computer chess than I) would benefit from a better understanding of how high-level competitive chess between humans actually works. tl;dr: In order to fully appreciate how bizarre Carlsen's draw offer was at that moment, you need to take into…

Why would you expect a (human) psychological effect would be observable in a computer chess match?

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Post by pilpulpitbull »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #113
ubernostrum wrote: post #22

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I believe Carlsen is on record as disliking the current format. The way it works right now, the reigning champion does nothing until a challenger has earned the right to face him by winning a candidates tournament. Then the winner of the candidates tournament faces the reigning champion in a match for the title. Carlsen, as I understand it, would prefer that the champion take part in a tournament. The women's champio…

What I don't understand is why there needs to be a separate women's tournament. It's chess, not football. Edit: I suppose that makes sense to encourage more women to play if that was an issue. (I'm used to more casual clubs where membership requires only interest and showing up.)

We are a sexually dimorphic species. Physical differences between men and women are not limited to muscle mass.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Post by mindgam3 »

Jabbles wrote: post #131
mindgam3 wrote: post #79

Reposting this from a comment thread below which mentions the chess.com "what would have happened" computer playoff, as I think the HN community (who are far more well versed in computer chess than I) would benefit from a better understanding of how high-level competitive chess between humans actually works. tl;dr: In order to fully appreciate how bizarre Carlsen's draw offer was at that moment, you need to take into…

Why would you expect a (human) psychological effect would be observable in a computer chess match?

My point was not that human psychology would be observable in computer chess. It was that using the computer chess match as a reference point to justify Carlsen's decision to offer the draw is not valid, because the computer match wasn't operating under the same conditions as humans with respect to time pressure.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Post by TylerE »

dagw wrote: post #122
8note wrote: post #116

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you'd also spend a whole ton of time waiting for players to get on and off the field.

Not if you do it more like hockey does it.

That’s easy when your playing surface is 6x smaller.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Post by lisardo »

rhacker wrote: post #92

Is any of this being livestreamed anywhere? Specifically tomorrow's matches? 7am just seems so worth it after reading the exciting tie-breaks today.

I watched all streams listed in the comments, but I liked the most GM Jerry: https://www.twitch.tv/chessnetwork

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Post by StanfordChess »

Hi all, for those planning to watch tomorrow's rapid/blitz tiebreakers live, Stanford Chess team will be livestreaming analysis and commentary at https://www.twitch.tv/stanfordchess and https://lichess.org/@/StanfordChess.

Our team captain is GM Daniel Naroditsky, one of the top blitz and bullet players in the world, who regularly beats Magnus in the LiChess Titled Arena. And our coach is NM Jordy Mont-Reynaud, a ~2350 bullet player who formerly held the record for youngest master in the US.

We'll be responding to questions and comments from the chat for any HN members who want more context on what's going on. Looking forward to an exciting finale!

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Post by gelatocar »

8note wrote: post #116
thrower123 wrote: post #107

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I fervently believe that soccer would be a much more entertaining game if the substitution rules were significantly loosened. When I played in high school, substitution was allowed on any dead ball situation, and we effectively used something like a hockey line shift, with midfielders shuttling in and out every five minutes. The result was that you could play at a much higher tempo than if you had to conserve energy…

you'd also spend a whole ton of time waiting for players to get on and off the field.

You could do it like AFL and not stop the game for substitutions.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Post by Foobar8568 »

mdnormy wrote: post #128
colmvp wrote: post #66

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It still irks me that something as rare and prestigious as the World Cup (and Olympic Hockey) can get decided by shootouts. I mean, I get it, football has a huge pitch and it'd probably be ridiculous to have guys exhausted, barely able to jog at the 150th minute. That said, one of the things I love about NHL playoff hockey is that without compromise, it's first goal wins overtime, where players are willing to do ever…

You're talking about Golden Goal. Soccer already have that from as long as I remember. Then it was "downgraded" to Silver Goal. Only both to be abolished later on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_goal Wiki mentioned "The golden goal and silver goal were widely perceived as failed experiments" but I'm in the opposing camp. Golden Goal is freaking exciting as a spectator.

I remember a lot of bitching over the French national teams wining by the Golden goal in 98 world cup and 2000 European one. And I had forgotten the old term of sudden death.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Post by yholio »

mdnormy wrote: post #128
colmvp wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still irks me that something as rare and prestigious as the World Cup (and Olympic Hockey) can get decided by shootouts. I mean, I get it, football has a huge pitch and it'd probably be ridiculous to have guys exhausted, barely able to jog at the 150th minute. That said, one of the things I love about NHL playoff hockey is that without compromise, it's first goal wins overtime, where players are willing to do ever…

You're talking about Golden Goal. Soccer already have that from as long as I remember. Then it was "downgraded" to Silver Goal. Only both to be abolished later on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_goal Wiki mentioned "The golden goal and silver goal were widely perceived as failed experiments" but I'm in the opposing camp. Golden Goal is freaking exciting as a spectator.

This sounds mad - madly entertaining that is:

>In a qualification game for the 1994 Caribbean Cup, Barbados deliberately scored a late own goal in a successful attempt to qualify for the finals by forcing golden-goal extra time against Grenada, as an unusual tournament rule stated that golden goals counted double in calculating goal difference. Needing a two-goal victory to qualify, Barbados found themselves 2–1 up with three minutes left of normal time. After the Barbadians scored an own goal to bring the scoreline level at 2–2, Grenada tried to score in either net while Barbados defended both goals for the final three minutes of normal time.[4] Barbados won the game in extra time and advanced to the next round.[5]

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Post by toyg »

mdnormy wrote: post #128
colmvp wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still irks me that something as rare and prestigious as the World Cup (and Olympic Hockey) can get decided by shootouts. I mean, I get it, football has a huge pitch and it'd probably be ridiculous to have guys exhausted, barely able to jog at the 150th minute. That said, one of the things I love about NHL playoff hockey is that without compromise, it's first goal wins overtime, where players are willing to do ever…

You're talking about Golden Goal. Soccer already have that from as long as I remember. Then it was "downgraded" to Silver Goal. Only both to be abolished later on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_goal Wiki mentioned "The golden goal and silver goal were widely perceived as failed experiments" but I'm in the opposing camp. Golden Goal is freaking exciting as a spectator.

I disagree. It doesn’t give teams a chance to fight back, which you get even on penalties. Absolutely one of the worst ideas to ever feature in football.
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