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Re: One of the world’s most visited websites that nobody is aware of (2017)

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Post by jdhawk »

mgamache wrote: post #110
woogiewonka wrote: post #64

Ready, set, go! Let's see how many scrapers HN readers will build now to try to copy this "business" model.

There's more to it then scraping. I would love a deep dive on how he/she was able to get page rank for the sites. Usually these people employ black hat SEO that works for while, but eventually fails when Google updates their ranking algorithm. I always wondered if there are sites that could game the system indefinably. Exactly the kind of info you don't announce on black hat SEO forums.

Change your UserAgent to one of Google Bots, and start hitting the pages hosting a PDF. Probably some hints there.

Re: One of the world’s most visited websites that nobody is aware of (2017)

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Post by robotrout »

samstave wrote: post #119
shakna wrote: post #6

> According to another source, a public address book at locatefamily.com, someone under the name Vladimir S. Nesterenko is living at [REDACTED] in Moscow. Vladimir lives according to Google Streetview it’s an apartment complex far away from the Moscow city center... Really? Someone investigating with journalists, and may be considered a journalists themselves (?), actually publishes the address of someone that they a…

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I personally do think that people should be exposed. Sex offenders need to be registered. Heck, I think Panama papers and paradise papers people should be exposed...

That's a good attitude comrade. Congratulations on earning an additional 10 points to your social credit score! Now you can enjoy the 2nd class cabin on our country's numerous, punctual, and well maintained trains. Keep up your outstanding and patriotic attitude and you'll be riding in the luxurious and stylish 1st class cabins in no time!

Re: One of the world’s most visited websites that nobody is aware of (2017)

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Post by ender89 »

scottlocklin wrote: post #77
shakna wrote: post #6

> According to another source, a public address book at locatefamily.com, someone under the name Vladimir S. Nesterenko is living at [REDACTED] in Moscow. Vladimir lives according to Google Streetview it’s an apartment complex far away from the Moscow city center... Really? Someone investigating with journalists, and may be considered a journalists themselves (?), actually publishes the address of someone that they a…

It's extremely likely that this person isn't responsible for the website, or knows anything about it. Criminal or shady activities in Russia (and everywhere else) are often laundered through cutouts. You can find an example of this in "Magnitsky act: behind the scenes" where Bill Browder allegedly laundered his corporate holdings for tax fraud through various handicapped people, and eventually gangsters who were conv…

""Magnitsky act: behind the scenes" where Bill Browder allegedly laundered his corporate holdings for tax fraud through various handicapped people, and eventually gangsters who were conveniently murdered."

Look, I'm not saying that's a bullshit documentary, but that's literally the kind of smear campaign Putin would execute to try to get talks of the magnitsky act thrown out. I wouldn't take any of that information as factual.

Re: One of the world’s most visited websites that nobody is aware of (2017)

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Post by ender89 »

scottlocklin wrote: post #94
Fins wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using that piece of rather silly putin's propaganda as a source lowers your credibility greatly.

Ahem. The maker of that documentary is anti-Putin to the extent he supports the theory that Putin blew up some Russian apartment buildings to start a war. Browder, on the other hand, is actively surpressing the documentary; even if none of the things said about him in the documentary are true (in which case you'd think he would sue the guy who made it for libel; a guy who lives in the UK), that's pretty shady.

fighting it gives it attention and validity, its the streisand effect. And Julian Assange lives in the UK but was still a tool of the kremlin's propaganda wing. what's your point?

Re: One of the world’s most visited websites that nobody is aware of (2017)

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Post by rjplatte »

gandhium wrote: post #128
scottlocklin wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahem. The maker of that documentary is anti-Putin to the extent he supports the theory that Putin blew up some Russian apartment buildings to start a war. Browder, on the other hand, is actively surpressing the documentary; even if none of the things said about him in the documentary are true (in which case you'd think he would sue the guy who made it for libel; a guy who lives in the UK), that's pretty shady.

That filmmaker was anti-Putin and he still lives in Russia? Totally believable.

That's not uncommon. Only very high-profile Putin opposers disappear.

Re: One of the world’s most visited websites that nobody is aware of (2017)

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Post by rjplatte »

redog wrote: post #69
EGreg wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So copyright infringement of this form may or may not be immoral depending on who you ask. And may even be legal depending on where you live

People are selfish and wish to capitalize on the viral nature of reuse. So they make up "legal rights" to protect their ability to out gain you even after they're long dead.

Are you arguing against intellectual property?

Re: One of the world’s most visited websites that nobody is aware of (2017)

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Post by jessaustin »

stackola wrote: post #123
zandjager wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Seems like it may be just one guy." One cannot make this statement weaker. We don't know and we cannot know now whether it is just one guy.

It's very well possible though, so jumping to "organized crime" is also a stretch

It's a well-known logical principle: always assume Russian organized crime!

Re: One of the world’s most visited websites that nobody is aware of (2017)

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Post by aasasd »

shakna wrote: post #6

> According to another source, a public address book at locatefamily.com, someone under the name Vladimir S. Nesterenko is living at [REDACTED] in Moscow. Vladimir lives according to Google Streetview it’s an apartment complex far away from the Moscow city center... Really? Someone investigating with journalists, and may be considered a journalists themselves (?), actually publishes the address of someone that they a…

It's also likely that there are a dozen people with that name just in Moscow.

Re: One of the world’s most visited websites that nobody is aware of (2017)

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Post by aasasd »

hahla wrote: post #17

I read through the article and I’m baffled. I couldn’t watch the news video or understand what was going on at the bottom of the post... but were news outlets and the government involved for a site that’s skimming PDFs, hosting them and then slapping on ads? This isn’t something new and if I recall correctly SlideShare did the same thing to grow to where they are today. Is it legal, I don’t know, but these types of s…

There are hundreds of "sharing" sites for every kind of thing that you'd want to find on the web, all copycats with the exact same idea. MP3s, tech manuals, etc. They're more popular in developing countries, I guess because we're used to piracy from the 2000s.

The figure of 92 K$/mon is pulled out of thin air, and a person earning that probably wouldn't live in a two-room apt on the outskirts. (Not saying that they found the right guy, though.)

Re: One of the world’s most visited websites that nobody is aware of (2017)

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Post by aasasd »

EMRZ wrote: post #16

Sorry if i don't understand this totally, but why is scraping for pdf and ppt/pptx files and mirroring them illegal? If you can reach that files just scraping it means they are somehow open to public access. No joke, i am genuinely asking.

If you don't have the author's or publisher's permission to republish, you're in breach. That's the entirety of practical crux of copyright law.

In practice, in some cases the authors' intent is for others to republish, especially on the web. So they deliberately don't pursue damages―but they still have the right to do so, and users are still not entitled to anything unless there's a specific broad license. Republishing files en masse stretches this unspoken agreement.

People keep grossly misinterpreting copyright law, because they got used to the share culture on the web. "Fair use" is especially invoked left and right where it doesn't apply. "Public access" is also not a thing in the law (afaik).

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