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Re: Questions to Ask Before Joining a Startup

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valid: you do not enjoy big company politics. (you’d rather have small company politics) valid: you want a sense of ownership and responsibility. if you don’t perform, there is a noticeable effect on the company. valid: you want to be in an environment where others are just as committed as you to the success of the company. you want to treat your work as an endeavor, not as a means to a paycheck.

I think the implicit point is that if you are NOT a cofounder those feelings of ownership are unlikely to be matched by reality. As a non-founder you do not have the input and upside of an owner.

please note that i am referring to the sense of ownership and responsibility that comes from being one of the important cogs. this is reality in a startup.

i don't mean it in a legal/financial sense, and i am not referring to any extrinsic reward, eg financial upside.

Re: Questions to Ask Before Joining a Startup

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You’re entirely (technically) correct. The issue is that side-effect often comes into play because employees like to calculate potential future outcomes, and that’s done based only on overall company value (since that’s one of the only data points that’s available from past acquisitions). I’m sure you get this and I know the psychology of what an employee might hope for shouldn’t be relevant, but unfortunately it is.…

Another aspect of this is that if you join an early stage startup and work there 5-10 years without any new equity grants (such as the annual refreshers that many companies give) while the company grows and does new funding rounds, then you're getting screwed badly.

only financially, which isn't one of the reasons you should work for a startup!

Re: Questions to Ask Before Joining a Startup

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post #42

The only valid reasons for working at a seed-stage / series A startup: You are a founder. They are working with a technology or in an industry that you specifically want to work with and it is very hard to work on it professionally, and doing side projects are infeasible. You need experience and you have no other option to get experience. You are getting a significant title bump that moves your career forwards. Inval…

Do I like going to work every day? Do I like my coworkers and the kind of work I'm doing?

These questions have always guided me well.

Re: Questions to Ask Before Joining a Startup

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Option piece is misleading. You own 1% of options and company is bought for $10m. Your payoff? Likely $0. He forgot to mention preferred shares given to VC’s with liquidation preferences that likely never disclosed to new engineers. This is what makes new engineer to sacrifice his salary for a possible liquidation even that likely either never happens or there is no money left for him after VCs took their xN ratios o…

Always ask about the preference stack. You'll rarely discover anything interesting, but if you do, it'll completely change how you value your equity grant. https://angel.co/blog/liquidation-preference-your-equity-cou...

great link

Re: Questions to Ask Before Joining a Startup

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post #15

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Can you elaborate on why your payoff is $0 if you have 1% vested common stock in the company?

Liquidation preferences mean that some shares have rights that others don't. In a liquidity event (IPO or acquisition), the people holding the "preferred" shares get paid out first, according to the number of shares and the valuation of those shares. If all the cash and other assets from the acquisition are given out to them, then anyone else holding the less-preferred shares get nothing. Usually, the founders and VC…

Founders don't typically get preferred shares. If employees are wiped out in an acquisition, the founders likely are too.

Of course, the acquiring company can always opt to pay large signing/retention bonuses to founders if the acquirer believes they're valuable.

Re: Questions to Ask Before Joining a Startup

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so are you saying you’ve ever been able to get those numbers? i never have.

I have... but you have to be within the first 10 employees or so.

well, within the first 10 employees you are coming in just before or just after series A. You can just assume what the stack looks like.

Re: Questions to Ask Before Joining a Startup

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post #54

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>It's important to be aware of dilution events so that you realize when you accept the offer that your .025% will be more like .008% But you're repeating the same error of prioritizing the wrong thing: dilution. What employees ultimately care about is their wealth calculation: shares_multiplied_by_price . Example of the type of math people actually care about: 0.008% (because dilutions) a $1 billion company is $80k 0…

Could you also add two lines: 0.008% of a $100 million company and 0.025% of a $1 billion company? When you join early stage start-up you know only how much %% of a company is offered to you at the moment, not the future exit value.

>you know only how much %% of a company is offered to you at the moment, not the future exit value.

But this "future exit value" is the same unknown for co-founders, angel investors, VCs, etc. Employees share the same unknown as everyone else as to what the eventual IPO or corporate acquisition valuation could be.

E.g. if an angel investor buys 5% of the company, he only knows his % ownership at that moment and not the eventual IPO price in 7 years. The angel also doesn't know what his eventual dilution will be. It really doesn't matter.

The angels and VCs ultimately cares about shares_times_price and that it has grown multiples of their investment. They already know they will get diluted because every owner gets diluted in the normal course of events. Selling equity to help it become a more valuable company means getting diluted.

E.g. When Accel Partners invested $12 million for 15% equity of Facebook in 2005, their investment got diluted when Microsoft later invested $240 million to buy 1.6% equity in 2007. That's how it mathematically works and it's normal. Dilution is a downstream math calculation side-effect of selling equity. The Accel partners didn't complain that they got screwed and owned less than 15% because the Microsoft investment diluted them. Also, neither Accel nor Microsoft knew what the eventual IPO price would be in 2012.

>how much %% of a company is offered to you at the moment

To be more precise, employees are typically offered a number of shares or options to buy shares instead of an explicit % of ownership. The % of ownership is a derived calculation at a point in time that's based on the number of shares. From that moment on, it's the price of the shares that ultimately matters and not the dilution because everybody's % of ownership will decrease as a normal event in growing companies that raise additional funding. Presumably, the startup hired employees that can contribute value so everybody's share price goes up which more than offsets the dilutive effects of accepting extra investment money.

Re: Questions to Ask Before Joining a Startup

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Having worked at several start-ups, I'd say the employment risks are not worth the cost. In most of my cases, when the start-up hasn't raised enough money, you end up with a poor work environment - pissed off/stressed bosses, weird work hours, "do anything" to save the business mentality... Generally layoffs/firings occur pretty abruptly and you're left filing for unemployment without a "thank you". My advice would b…

I think a willingness to take on the risk is assumed by the author. Once you've made that choice, then how do you evaluate one startup vs another. (as an employee)

Re: Questions to Ask Before Joining a Startup

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post #67

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I thought standard work weeks were 40 hours (at least in the US)? Are your work weeks normally shorter?

40 hours is the target. In practice, most salaried employees work around 50-60 hours a week -- more if you count checking and responding to email after work / pager duty / etc

I don't think that is true in general. Heavily depends on the employer, industry and country. Also unions play a big part in worktime.
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