Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market • Hacker News Board

Re: Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market

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Post by nasalgoat » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 4:09 AM UTC

peterburkimsher wrote: post #126

Alex63 wrote: post #116

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I looked at the résumé linked from your profile, too. I agree with ac29, plus the following suggestions: * Remove all the logos/links. They're not helping the first impression, and they'll almost certainly confuse the systems that are used to scan/store your résumé. * Take out the reference to military technology in your objective. If you get an interview you can ask them if they do military work and explain your res…

The problem is not the résumé. The problem is that nobody is receiving it. I have 3 résumés and I'll make another according to your guidelines. I want only one thing from you. Email addresses. Please tell me somebody who can give me a job if I do this right. I need somebody who can help. Not somebody who will complain. Somebody who cares. Somebody who can give me food and shelter, a minimum wage. Anything.

You appear quite desperate and perhaps this desperation is coming through to the people you talk to and the interviews you do. As a hiring manager I can tell you, desperation is a massive turn-off and red flag.

Change your resume as the others have directed you and keep applying. Perhaps take a look at remote work options as well. But you need to dial back the desperation.

Re: Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market

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Post by gwright » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 4:46 AM UTC

dleslie wrote: post #129

gwright wrote: post #118

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I think you are excluding other scenarios: A business may not be able to pay minimum wage and training costs. The solution there is more qualified people (but they take better paying jobs), lower wage (legally impossible), pass increases on to consumers (higher wages paired with higher costs). Wage increases can't magically be absorbed, especially in service industries with plenty of substitutes. Customers will just…

You gave many reasons why an employer may be unwilling, but it's the same outcome regardless: an unwillingness to train or pay more.

I don't think that is an accurate summary of the situation at all. In particular your characterization asserts indirectly that that the employer is doing something wrong, that if only they were "willing" the problem would be rectified. But it is nonsensical to think that a business is going to willingly make choices that go against its own self interest, that hurts its business.

It makes no sense to hire an employee for $X/hour if that won't increase revenue by at least $X/hour.

It makes no sense to raise prices to cover an employee's wages/training for $Y/month, for example if revenue goes down by more than $Y/month (higher prices => less sales)

Re: Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market

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Post by Impossible » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 5:34 AM UTC

justinator wrote: post #112

ravenstine wrote: post #107

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I'm not arguing against white men's privilege. And by the way, the term "white men" can be found nowhere in the article or in my comment, and I don't know why you are dragging race into this. And no, I'm not arguing against the privileges of men. I'm criticizing the use of that word, in comparison to the rest of the article, as a covert gendered judgment. Just because men continue to have a "privilege" doesn't mean t…

> I'm not arguing against white men's privilege. And by the way, the term "white men" can be found nowhere in the article or in my comment, and I don't know why you are dragging race into this. Because in the United States, "black male privilege" isn't a thing. "Male Privilege" = "WHITE Male Privilege" Do please give examples of the, "benefits of the man's privilege is in decline" when compared to the population in w…

Black male privilege is a thing...

https://projecthumanities.asu.edu/content/black-male-privile...

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/black-male-what-the-blac...

Re: Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market

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Post by peterburkimsher » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 10:01 AM UTC

nasalgoat wrote: post #131

peterburkimsher wrote: post #126

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The problem is not the résumé. The problem is that nobody is receiving it. I have 3 résumés and I'll make another according to your guidelines. I want only one thing from you. Email addresses. Please tell me somebody who can give me a job if I do this right. I need somebody who can help. Not somebody who will complain. Somebody who cares. Somebody who can give me food and shelter, a minimum wage. Anything.

You appear quite desperate and perhaps this desperation is coming through to the people you talk to and the interviews you do. As a hiring manager I can tell you, desperation is a massive turn-off and red flag. Change your resume as the others have directed you and keep applying. Perhaps take a look at remote work options as well. But you need to dial back the desperation.

I am desperate. Please teach me how to write something that isn't desperate. I don't know how.

Keep applying which way? Nothing works! Keep sending emails? Keep using job listing websites? Keep using LinkedIn? Which one will perform differently after I scale up to thousands instead of hundreds? I need email addresses of people who care. I need to be introduced to someone who can provide food and shelter.

Re: Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market

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Post by peterburkimsher » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 10:03 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #128

peterburkimsher wrote: post #63

I'm a 29 year old male. I've been trying to get a new job since March, and I've been unemployed since August. I have an MEng in Electronic Systems Engineering, and over 3 years continuous relevant work experience. I have tried applying through Seek and TradeMe, and got no response. I tried writing custom cover letters and applying on company websites. I've rewritten my résumé several times based on contradictory advi…

If you are willing to consider gig work: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JfNAbUX_lN9K3MCNHO15...

I need food and shelter. I don't think that sending applications to hundreds of gigs and getting ignored by most of them is going to provide that. I'm trying to get a bank account now. When that comes, I can try to do things that receive online payments. I'm really trying to bootstrap from zero.

Re: Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market

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Post by dsajames » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 10:09 AM UTC

ananonymouse wrote: post #96

athenot wrote: post #5

> Weary of long days earning minimum wage, he quit his job in a pizzeria in June. He wants new employment but won’t take a gig he’ll hate. So for now, the Pittsburgh native and father to young children is living with his mother and training to become an emergency medical technician, hoping to get on the ladder toward a better life. Perplexing? The opening of this article gives a pretty straightforward answer: people…

It's exactly this. I'm a member of this group. I was told growing up by first-generation college graduates that any degree was better than no degree. I had persistent doubts, but was told by those same parents year after year before and during college that "You may not want it now, but you won't regret having it in the future." So not knowing better and not being told any better by the university I attended, I got a…

I don't know who gave that advice, but I'm ten years older than you and was frequently told that a history degree would get me little.

Re: Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market

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Post by dsajames » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 10:12 AM UTC

MIKarlsen wrote: post #19

"If you get to the point where you’re turning 30, you’ve never held a real job and you don’t have a college education, then it is very hard to recover at that point." I've raised this point to a fair few of my friends and colleagues recently. I think it is becoming increasingly hard to contribute to society, because everything is so gosh-darn technical. Companies _scream_ for developers - but not junior developers, o…

A big part is you don't know who can learn to code and enjoy it. Not everyone is cut out for it.

Re: Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market

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Post by link_108 » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 12:57 PM UTC

peterburkimsher wrote: post #127

lordnacho wrote: post #122

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Well you're closer to it than I am, but I would think there's no viable business migrating data off a decades old platform. You'd definitely have to find the right niche community to get any business at all. > I'll take anything as a job now. I can get my own Working Holiday visa. But I've been turned down by farms and construction companies, not only tech companies. The problem with this approach is that businesses…

I'll take a fast food or farmhand job! But I need an email address of somebody who can give me that job. If you tell me the email address of somebody who can offer me food and shelter, I'll rewrite my résumé for them. But I need to know that there is somebody who cares if I do that. Because I've had a lot of résumé advice that was just complaining, and didn't lead to a job. I need a job, an introduction, an interview…

My 2 cents: only have one resume and one LinkedIn profile. Follow the advice the parent post gave. Make it clear what your skills are. Not sure where you live, but the Bay Area is full of places looking for engineers, apply to companies there

Re: Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market

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Post by nasalgoat » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:27 PM UTC

peterburkimsher wrote: post #134

nasalgoat wrote: post #131

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You appear quite desperate and perhaps this desperation is coming through to the people you talk to and the interviews you do. As a hiring manager I can tell you, desperation is a massive turn-off and red flag. Change your resume as the others have directed you and keep applying. Perhaps take a look at remote work options as well. But you need to dial back the desperation.

I am desperate. Please teach me how to write something that isn't desperate. I don't know how. Keep applying which way? Nothing works! Keep sending emails? Keep using job listing websites? Keep using LinkedIn? Which one will perform differently after I scale up to thousands instead of hundreds? I need email addresses of people who care. I need to be introduced to someone who can provide food and shelter.

Hiring managers aren't interested in feeding and clothing you. They want to hire skilled workers to perform a service. The fact you even bring it up is a huge red flag.

If you're not getting job interviews when you apply, then you need to tailor your resume to what they're looking for. You've gotten good advice on how to do that.

Re: Millennial Men Leave Perplexing Hole in Hot U.S. Job Market

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Post by farmer122345747 » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 2:09 PM UTC

peterburkimsher wrote: post #134

nasalgoat wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You appear quite desperate and perhaps this desperation is coming through to the people you talk to and the interviews you do. As a hiring manager I can tell you, desperation is a massive turn-off and red flag. Change your resume as the others have directed you and keep applying. Perhaps take a look at remote work options as well. But you need to dial back the desperation.

I am desperate. Please teach me how to write something that isn't desperate. I don't know how. Keep applying which way? Nothing works! Keep sending emails? Keep using job listing websites? Keep using LinkedIn? Which one will perform differently after I scale up to thousands instead of hundreds? I need email addresses of people who care. I need to be introduced to someone who can provide food and shelter.

Have you considered WWOOF? You can work on organic farms all around the world in exchange for food and shelter. Many of my friends have done it for fun. Might help you temporarily.

https://www.wwooftaiwan.com/en/wwoof-taiwan-home.html