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Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#131

Post by bscphil »

endorphone wrote: post #130
shaklee3 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's really no point in continuing this since I don't think you understand what the size of the camera sensor does in low light. I was simply pointing out, over and over, that it is not the same feature Huawei had. Just like you can't take a $50 point and shoot with extremely complex software that took the same image quality as a $5000 Nikon, and say that "this technology exists". Huawei has better camera hardware…

Dear god. Incredible. You are completely and utterly wrong. Yet you continue. Amazing. And you're not the first to distract with claims that it is someone else's ignorance. The P20 Pro does image stacking. Period . That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better.

>That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better.

I'm not the person you've been talking to, but I don't think I'd agree with that statement. To take the video you linked earlier for example, the Pixel frequently gives better results. For example, this one shot https://youtu.be/wBKHnKkNSyw?t=227

Note that the Pixel 2 has a much smaller sensor, and the exposure time on the P20 is 18 times longer, and yet the Pixel generates a much better sharper image. What you're saying is correct, that the P20 is using some very advanced image stabilization to get results that good from 6 seconds of data, but the Pixel seems to clearly offer more advanced software.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#132

Post by shaklee3 »

bscphil wrote: post #131
endorphone wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dear god. Incredible. You are completely and utterly wrong. Yet you continue. Amazing. And you're not the first to distract with claims that it is someone else's ignorance. The P20 Pro does image stacking. Period . That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better.

>That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better. I'm not the person you've been talking to, but I don't think I'd agree with that statement. To take the video you linked earlier for example, the Pixel frequently gives better results. For example, this one shot https://youtu.be/wBKHnKkNSyw?t=227 Note that the Pixel 2 has a much smaller sensor, and the exposure time on the P20 is…

Thanks for explaining this clearly.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#133

Post by shaklee3 »

endorphone wrote: post #130
shaklee3 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's really no point in continuing this since I don't think you understand what the size of the camera sensor does in low light. I was simply pointing out, over and over, that it is not the same feature Huawei had. Just like you can't take a $50 point and shoot with extremely complex software that took the same image quality as a $5000 Nikon, and say that "this technology exists". Huawei has better camera hardware…

Dear god. Incredible. You are completely and utterly wrong. Yet you continue. Amazing. And you're not the first to distract with claims that it is someone else's ignorance. The P20 Pro does image stacking. Period . That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better.

At some point, when you realize literally everyone in the thread disagrees with you, you have to wonder where you went wrong. No?

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#134

Post by endorphone »

bscphil wrote: post #131
endorphone wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dear god. Incredible. You are completely and utterly wrong. Yet you continue. Amazing. And you're not the first to distract with claims that it is someone else's ignorance. The P20 Pro does image stacking. Period . That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better.

>That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better. I'm not the person you've been talking to, but I don't think I'd agree with that statement. To take the video you linked earlier for example, the Pixel frequently gives better results. For example, this one shot https://youtu.be/wBKHnKkNSyw?t=227 Note that the Pixel 2 has a much smaller sensor, and the exposure time on the P20 is…

The example shot you gave is clearly better on the P20. Also the P20 has a slightly larger sensor.

Further, you're reading entirely too much into the exposure times. They are artificial and either camera software can choose to put whatever number they want in there. The aggregate time. The average time. The theoretical equivalent time. Etc. It is not the actual times.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#135

Post by endorphone »

shaklee3 wrote: post #133
endorphone wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dear god. Incredible. You are completely and utterly wrong. Yet you continue. Amazing. And you're not the first to distract with claims that it is someone else's ignorance. The P20 Pro does image stacking. Period . That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better.

At some point, when you realize literally everyone in the thread disagrees with you, you have to wonder where you went wrong. No?

Incredibly another person basically says that you're wrong (adding their own misinformation into this), and you still claim rightness.

This thread is dominated by Pixel...fanboys and Googlers. You can be as wrong as you like, it doesn't really bother me. But your bull headedness about your absolute wrongness is simply spectacular.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#136

Post by shaklee3 »

endorphone wrote: post #134
bscphil wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That is exactly what this new Pixel mode does. In actual results the P20 Pro is better. I'm not the person you've been talking to, but I don't think I'd agree with that statement. To take the video you linked earlier for example, the Pixel frequently gives better results. For example, this one shot https://youtu.be/wBKHnKkNSyw?t=227 Note that the Pixel 2 has a much smaller sensor, and the exposure time on the P20 is…

The example shot you gave is clearly better on the P20. Also the P20 has a slightly larger sensor. Further, you're reading entirely too much into the exposure times. They are artificial and either camera software can choose to put whatever number they want in there. The aggregate time. The average time. The theoretical equivalent time. Etc. It is not the actual times.

No, it's not better. The P20 is over-exposed, causing the colors to be off. The level of detail is equivalent, but the colors on the P20 are the worse. And no, it's not slightly larger. The sensor is TWICE as large in area as the pixel 2.

I took actual photos with the pixel 2, and I know the actual time taken. It's less than 3 seconds every time. By all accounts and reviews I've seen, the P20 is 10-25 seconds. Show me a review saying otherwise.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#137

Post by kartickv »

bwang29 wrote: post #34

The biggest challenge to do this technically is to use gyroscope data to work together with the stacking algorithm. It's hard to tune the gyro to work great for any phone. A pure software solution to analyze the perspectives transformation would be too slow.

Is it hard to tune the gyro because its accuracy is too low, or because it's accurate to begin with but degrades over the course of the long exposure?

Is a pure software solution even reliable enough under these conditions? Slowness can be worked around by doing it in the background, and you get a notification when it's complete. Some people would be okay if that's the only way to get photos they wouldn't otherwise be able to get, short of buying an SLR.

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