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Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by mc32 »

rdtsc wrote: post #10
mohammedbin wrote: post #4

I am not an American and I obviously have no right to meddle in your affairs. But only today Trump tweeted out Obama being against immigration and then from their the rabbit hole went deeper and there was a video of gasp, bernie sanders calling open borders a "Koch brother" conspiracy. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone high up in America really has any integrity? I fail to see anyone who is consistent in their views…

> bernie sanders calling open borders a "Koch brother" conspiracy. Quite right. It wasn't just that Bernie disagrees with open borders, in that video he is visibly upset. He really doesn't like it. (It was the Vox interview I assume, unless you saw another one) Also if you are old enough you might remember large anti-globalization protests around G8, Bilderberg and other such meetings. It is kind of baffling how just…

Yep, indeed. This has turned quite strikingly since the Seattle round. Democrats used to be pro-Us workers. Pro-Union. Now they forget about US workers, except to demand minimum wage increases but that does not do anything to protect well-paying union jobs which get shipped off or get undercut by illegal workers who work for less then minimum wage.

It's quite interesting to see the Trump faction take this mantle and the Democrats (and traditional Repubs) have no idea how to react except to be reactionary and be pro-Globalization pro-TPP, pro-intervention, etc.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by jobigoud »

hkjayakumar wrote: post #50
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. This actually exists in many cities around the world like Dubai. Probably not every roadway, but almost all major ones.

In France they are testing radars in vans owned by private companies. Imagine what happens when the incentive is openly about making money.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by crististm »

pbourke wrote: post #126
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> The reality is that very few people want to live in that world I suppose I'm in the minority, but I would love to live in a world with fewer impaired drivers and senseless motor vehicle accidents.

What I hear is an intentionally cheesy argument against a set of cherry-picked claims that are not even in the original comment.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by crististm »

hkjayakumar wrote: post #50
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. This actually exists in many cities around the world like Dubai. Probably not every roadway, but almost all major ones.

The point being that Dubai is a model for the rest of us? Or, if not them, the UK (London)?

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by crististm »

FilterSweep wrote: post #23

Yikes. I’ve heard of some American citizens being mistaken for illegal immigrants and being detained with no recuse[0], I could only imagine how bad it could get if the machine errors. [0] https://nypost.com/2018/04/27/ice-wrongfully-detained-nearly...

According to some of my team mates, a computer is never wrong. And they would gladly replace the justice system with AI ones. They program computers and they should know better but I am lost wondering at what level they are thinking to even go down this road.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by toomanybeersies »

rdtsc wrote: post #10
mohammedbin wrote: post #4

I am not an American and I obviously have no right to meddle in your affairs. But only today Trump tweeted out Obama being against immigration and then from their the rabbit hole went deeper and there was a video of gasp, bernie sanders calling open borders a "Koch brother" conspiracy. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone high up in America really has any integrity? I fail to see anyone who is consistent in their views…

> bernie sanders calling open borders a "Koch brother" conspiracy. Quite right. It wasn't just that Bernie disagrees with open borders, in that video he is visibly upset. He really doesn't like it. (It was the Vox interview I assume, unless you saw another one) Also if you are old enough you might remember large anti-globalization protests around G8, Bilderberg and other such meetings. It is kind of baffling how just…

Globalism is part of the core philosophy of neo-liberalism, which most mainline political parties were advocating up until the past couple of years when public sentiment went against globalism. Both Republicans and Democrats were in favour of the TPP, for example.

Globalism is orthogonal to leftism/rightism. Brexit support was roughly similar among both Labour and Conservative party supporters.

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Post by TangoTrotFox »

AngryData wrote: post #31
_iyig wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Illegal immigrants are by definition disenfranchised. They are not citizens, so they do not get the franchise, which is the right to vote. That’s as it should be according to the U.S. Constitution, and the basic law of (nearly?) every democracy.

Where does it say that foreigners can't vote in the constitution? Up until the 20th century the only requirement to vote in most states was residency, not citizenship. Many places only required 6 months stay to vote no matter who or where you were from, others required a commitment to long-term residency. It wasn't until women's and black's voting rights started becoming a popular issue that voting was redefined to m…

You need to consider how the US was originally intended to be organized, which is radically different than what is has become. States were envisioned as practically independent nations which would be tied together by an extremely minimal set of shared rules and obligations. The constitution doesn't really lay out many rules for states at all. What it does lay out is mostly just things preventing states from taking on national rules like entering into alliances, printing their own money, or declaring war.

The constitution focuses on laying out those minimal set of laws for the federal government. So it makes no sense for the constitution to tell states how they can or cannot vote. This was antithetical to the entire notion of what the United States was supposed to be. It was a state level matter. As an aside this is also part of the motivation for institutions like the electoral college - to ensure a strong separation between state internal affairs and their influence on the federal level, which could affect other states.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by 0x8BADF00D »

makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like this, it doesn't necessarily make us any safer.

Yet they will still freely give you information, their most intimate details, on social media. The sad and bitter truth is that the future will be heavily monitored and totalitarian. And there is nothing that can be done to stop this inevitable course of events.

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