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Re: Harvard’s Admissions Process, Once Secret, Is Unveiled in Federal Court

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Post by yhoneycomb » Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 12:29 AM UTC

ajross wrote: post #109

tuesdayrain wrote: post #103

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Complaining about any kind of race composition does seem oddly racist to me, even when the poster is trying to reduce racism. I wouldn't go to a university in Africa and say "wow it sucks that there's so many black people here, you need some white people for diversity. Maybe we should tweak the admissions system".

You're missing the point. Let's say you go to your hypothetical "university in Africa", and that your nation had, I dunno, a significant(25%, say) Uzbek minority. Yet the student body was 98% native africans. You seriously wouldn't consider that a problem? You wouldn't ask why the Uzbeks weren't being educated at the same rate as the rest of the population? You'd consider it "oddly racist" to even ask if maybe this w…

Your examples all fall flat. You've completely sidestepped the issue of discrimination against Asians, instead saying that Harvard "fixed" its racism by instituting more racism.

Re: Harvard’s Admissions Process, Once Secret, Is Unveiled in Federal Court

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Post by munchbunny » Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 5:06 PM UTC

toasterlovin wrote: post #129

munchbunny wrote: post #128

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Race is by itself a root cause. You only need to look at the white nationalists who've come out of the woodwork recently to see that. Case in point, do you think this can be fixed by fixing wealth disparities? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/09/2...

> Race is by itself a root cause. Racism exists. But there are many black and brown ethnic groups that do better than whites in the US[0]. In fact, the highest earning ethnic group in the US are brown! And immigrants from The Caribbean (who are predominantly indistinguishable from black Americans) tend to earn more income than American born whites. So while race may be an issue, the hypothesis that it is the predomin…

This isn't a data issue, it's a problem where you're trying to bend the data to your point. Just because Indians earn more on average doesn't mean Black people don't face clear racism problems.

As an analogy, just because most people didn't get their data stolen in the latest Facebook breach doesn't mean Facebook doesn't have a security problem.

Re: Harvard’s Admissions Process, Once Secret, Is Unveiled in Federal Court

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Post by jjeaff » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 8:37 AM UTC

adamiscool8 wrote: post #130

jjeaff wrote: post #119

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Whether they are "likely" to have better scores in other categories is irrelevant. You are still deducting points based on race.

You're not deducting anything.

Call it what you want. Your race is reducing your chance at getting in due to seats being taken by those who got a bump for being a certain race.