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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by ryanianian »

dpkonofa wrote: post #117
dpkonofa wrote: post #4

How the mighty have fallen... :(

Hmm... I'm confused why I'm being voted down for this. Oh well.

Your comment doesn't add to the conversation. If your point is to call out just how disgraced MS has become (and how disgusted you are with it), you could give examples that show this kind of behavior is new and wouldn't have happened "when MS was mighty", or you could give further examples to show just how far they've fallen and use this story as further evidence of your point. All you've done is pipe in a trope without justification.

Also it's generally bad etiquette to meta-comment about being down-voted: it only exacerbates the "not contributing to the real conversation at hand" thing.

Hope this helps.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by RandomTisk »

kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

That really long greeting that says "your files are where you left them" that you can't speed up or cancel out of makes me want to kick puppies.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by tolien »

derefr wrote: post #116
cortic wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And its a bit creepy you think the answer should be no.

Here’s maybe a less-fraught analogy: say you have an autonomous car. Assume that the car’s autonomous-driving algorithms prevent it from hitting a person or another car no matter who’s driving, but don’t prevent it from, say, knocking down a telephone pole, or colliding with one of the support posts holding up a bridge. Now, do you have the right to own and drive this autonomous car around on public roads, if you’ve…

The missing part of your analogy is that in a safety-critical scenario like that, there's no way that the update to the car would be delivered alongside a change to make the UI go dark at night or a completely-rewritten version of the entertainment system. The second something went wrong with such a bundled update, the manufacturer would be annihilated by regulators around the world and/or by a collapse in consumer confidence.

MS could deliver security updates separately to feature changes but chooses not to. The Tragedy of the Commons is that well-publicised incidents like this (and the trend of updates to consumer software, supposedly under the guise of enhancing security, to bring about significant changes in appearance and behaviour) make people less, not more, inclined to defer updates to all software with the result that developers feel the urge to strong-arm users into updating.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by StreamBright »

arthurfm wrote: post #64
user3359 wrote: post #7

They're absolutely garbage at this. When I was _forced_ into the windows 10 update, it went through the process and appeared to finish but didn't put my desktop back. No problem I figured, they put it somewhere. So I did a file search, found the desktop in a folder, moved it back to the desktop. A day later it self-restarted and _completed the update_, replacing the desktop with the now empty desktop folder. I went t…

Ironically, if you had switched to a Mac sooner you may have been affected by Apple's data loss/corruption bugs. [1] [2] Regardless of OS it's always a good idea to have backups of your important data. [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-los... [2] https://www.iezzi.ch/leopard-1051-massive-data-loss-bug/

Unironically, I am in control of when and if any update happens on my Mac. Also unironically, the described bug has not happened as a result of an upgrade, it was not forced on any user and definitely was not affecting the whole desktop.

From the articles you linked:

"The images get corrupted on copies to the USB attached external drive. "

"However, as Bombich notes, ordinary APFS volumes like SSD startup disks are not affected by the problem described above, so the vast majority of users won't be affected by it – the flaw is most applicable when making backups to network volumes. "

I am not sure you have read the original article and the two articles you linked, otherwise it would have been obvious that these are not the same by volume and severity.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by aarongolliver »

RandomTisk wrote: post #132
kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

That really long greeting that says "your files are where you left them" that you can't speed up or cancel out of makes me want to kick puppies.

You used to be able to ctrl-alt-delete to skip it. They disabled that after a while though :(

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by zawerf »

arthurfm wrote: post #64
user3359 wrote: post #7

They're absolutely garbage at this. When I was _forced_ into the windows 10 update, it went through the process and appeared to finish but didn't put my desktop back. No problem I figured, they put it somewhere. So I did a file search, found the desktop in a folder, moved it back to the desktop. A day later it self-restarted and _completed the update_, replacing the desktop with the now empty desktop folder. I went t…

Ironically, if you had switched to a Mac sooner you may have been affected by Apple's data loss/corruption bugs. [1] [2] Regardless of OS it's always a good idea to have backups of your important data. [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-los... [2] https://www.iezzi.ch/leopard-1051-massive-data-loss-bug/

Linux (specifically ubuntu in my case) also suffers from somewhat similar problems. Every time I update graphic drivers it's a diceroll on whether it will reboot into a black screen.

Sometimes it's recoverable from blindly pasting god-knows-what from stackoverflow. Most of the time I just have to do a complete reinstall.

(I guess it's not a complete brick on update because I have never suffered data loss, but it's similarly infuriating)

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by [deleted] »

dimgl wrote: post #91
creato wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I moved to Mac this year after being exclusively on Windows since '98. Funny, I use a Macbook pro at work, and windows at home. I'm not the kind of person that has strong preferences on tech, I use stuff until it stops working well and then I switch. My several (over time) work macbooks have been really bad. OSX has so many bugs, many of them seem really serious potential security issues (graphical corruption acros…

Completely anecdotal. While we're sharing anecdotal evidence, I have not once experienced anything you're talking about.

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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by StreamBright »

seiferteric wrote: post #76
ttul wrote: post #10

Is this incompetence the result of Microsoft being unable to retain decent engineers? I mean, who actually would want to work on the next Windows release? You’d have to be a masochist.

It's amazing to me. With the resources MS has, they could rebuild a new OS from the ground up and finally get rid of all the cruft and legacy issues in windows once and for all and still support legacy software via emulation, virtualization or even a compatibility layer a la WINE or WSL. Why don't they do it? Google is building fuchsia, Apple/NeXT was able to take BSD and build MacOS X, certainly MS can do it right?

And lose 90% of the user base (corporate users) along the way. I think at this stage they should just introduce a new OS for home users that copies the best parts of MacOS (non intrusive updates, UX, common task bar / top bar, single folder installs, unix/posix paths) and add the best parts of Windows (user space video card drivers, ???) and add some from VMS (keep file versions / purge). While at it, they could also do this on a much more secure way than before re-thinking the whole end user security.

Than I would be happy. Well, obviously this is not going to happen but I would have been nice. :)

I have big hopes for Google Fuchsia

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by giobox »

m-p-3 wrote: post #86
SteveGerencser wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have 4 windows 10 machines here and a metered satellite internet connection for internet service. Didn't really think about it much until they pushed an update to all 4 machines the week after our monthly meter tripped on our service. Next thing I knew I was on throttled internet for 3 weeks. Setting all the machines so that they don't update turned out to not be too hard, but was FAR harder than it needed to be.…

Isn't there an option to distribute updates to computers on the same network to reduce WAN data usage? Delivery Optimization: https://www.howtogeek.com/224981/how-to-stop-windows-10-from... And there's ways to set the Ethernet connection as metered if you search a little bit online.

While I’m not familiar with the equivalent features in Windows I believe MacOS can do this, you can have one machine share the updates to the others on your network. The feature is now even in the non-server version of the OS too.

You can cache iOS device updates with this mechanism as well. I’ve never bothered as I’m fortunate not to worry about metered bandwidth, but it seems like a nice feature if it works as advertised.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204675

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by JepZ »

romanovcode wrote: post #123
JepZ wrote: post #80

If you want to use Windows, just do it. But if you had to experience what it feels like when Windows thinks it is time for an automatic-forced-reboot-update which takes 4 hours the day you have to submit a thesis, then you might know why I am not so fond of Microsoft products anymore... By the way, later that month I learned that I had been lucky as some people ended up being stuck within the update.

Never in my life I had 4h updates, not even 1h. Max I had like 10 minutes? Not even a Windows advocate, just stop telling this BS please.

I am sorry, but that is no BS, just pure facts. Granted the PC is not very powerful (CPU: AMD E-350), but the story is true. When the update started, I thought 'Shit that thing didn't just reboot itself. Okay here we are, that will take one hour max.'. But in fact, it took about 4 hours.
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