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Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Post by escherplex »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #130
escherplex wrote: post #129

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Well then to hell with SUCRAM... Start a liquid stenabolics (sr 9009) / weight training regimen coupled with piracetam (1.5g), choline (.5g), and Steven Hawking's purported vinpocetine supplements, TID, and you'll be like Conan the Barbarian (or Valeria) with a 20pt IQ boost in two months. (sorry, just kidding - a shrink friend recently started that routine and I'm curious to see how it goes)

Thanks. I'll study the information available about these substances and consider experimenting perhaps. But I believe these substances alone are not going to increase the IQ unless combined with actual mind training (in this case they probably can boost progress, I happen to be a very experienced piracetam user BTW). Let me recommend your friend to also consider exercising with BrainWorkshop (the only scientifically-…

Well done :)

Just added that comment for the fun of it but you are exactly correct concerning piracetam. From experience, it does take about two weeks to kick-in in earnest but during that time it's necessary to focus on some mentally-demanding skill. Also personally experimented with aniracetam but found that cognitively it morphs you into the proverbial 'Mr Spock' complete with persona.

Assume for ACh you're eating three eggs a day, soft-boiled for 6 1/2 minutes or fried sunny side up until a cataract forms over the yokes (pro dietician's recommendation I once received)

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #64
saiya-jin wrote: post #40

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You are looking for reasons outside of "me". It's "they" (aka school), caused by "that" (food/chemical) and so on. Not that it might not contribute, actually I would be surprised if it didn't somehow, but - its "us". You, me, everybody. We are lazy, we are overworked, we just sit on our asses whole day, lack sleep, eat junk food, drink crappy drinks, we know damn well we should exercise often but still we don't becau…

By this rhetoric, a lack of obesity and obesity-related illness in a population indicates that the population has consciously decided to be healthier, eat healthier, exercise more, and work less. In short, they are morally superior entities with stronger wills. Since obesity and obesity-related illnesses spiked in America in the 1970s, and the rhetoric here implies that such illnesses are primarily about conscious ch…

Agreed. It's something environmental. People did not suddenly change in the 70's. Some of us are old enough to have been around then :-)

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Post by atomical »

hexane360 wrote: post #118
atomical wrote: post #115

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Exactly.

You failed to provide evidence that fruit exhibits no laxative effect. That study didn't report a laxative effect because it wasn't testing for a laxative effect.

It would have been reported as an adverse effect and it wasn't.

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

zdragnar wrote: post #116
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #80

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A mouse is like 20g. No way are they shoving 16g's of splenda into one.

Well, they wouldn't be using all the filler in any splenda packet, would they? 12mg * 16 mixed into a liquid seems a bit more probable, if still unpleasant.

Absolutely. I didn't realize there was that much filler in a splenda packet. That stuff is incredibly strong.

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Post by haisch »

jwbwater wrote: post #127
haisch wrote: post #65

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According to research from 1985 Xylitol has to been shown to shift the gut microbiome population from gram negative to gram positive bacteria. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4076932

Consuming too much xylitol gives me a stomach ache. I tried adding it to water for dental health on multiple occasions and got a stomach ache each time.

Yeah you don't want to consume a lot of it without easing into it. I have been using it for only about a week now and use it as a mouth wash after each meal and my teeth have gotten noticeably whiter. You will get diarrhea if you don't ease into consuming it because it is increasing the production of butyrate which is the mucus that lines yours intestines. If it is also killing off gram negative bacteria as studies claim, you may have some stomach irritability as those bacteria die off initially. I'm surprised xylitol isn't more ubiquitous given the research surrounding it.

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Post by dual_basis »

It's pretty clear to me that there is significant bias in the premise. Why, specifically, should it be artificial sweeteners that are toxic to gut bacteria? Irony is not a scientific motivation, it is a journalistic motivation. What makes artificial sweeteners more likely to be toxic to gut bacteria than, say, food coloring, preservatives, or (dare I say it) natural herbs and spices?

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Post by qwerty456127 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #124
kbutler wrote: post #107

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Stevia doesn't affect my gut bacteria much - it affects my taste buds too much for it to get that far.

Stevia is weird - to me it tastes absolutely awful in coffee and tea but pretty decent when not dissolved, e.g. over cereal or something.

AFAIK there are many kinds of Stevia, it is not a name for a single substance marketed under a number of different brands, every brand of Stevia may differ significantly from the others. There are "stevias" that taste fairly unpleasant to me and there is a brand that tastes better than any candy I've ever tasted.
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