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Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI

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Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI

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Post by ohopton »

mattnewport wrote: post #103
cpeterso wrote: post #82

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What is the Infinite Polygon Engine?

Before Demis Hassabis was a master of AI hype he was a master of video game hype. The misleadingly named Infinite Polygon engine was one over hyped aspect of the over hyped and much delayed game Republic the Revolution. I think it actually turned out an ok game but is a notorious example of over promising and under delivering in the games industry.

I remember reading about the Infinite Polygon Engine in Edge (UK video games mag).

Pleasantly described as twaddle on Eurogamer in 2003. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/r_republic_pc

Still disappointed!

Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI

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Post by hyperbovine »

mrhappyunhappy wrote: post #94
hyperbovine wrote: post #71

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One potential solution is to not have children.

What’s the point of living if you can’t achieve your biological function?

There are a lot of unstated assumptions baked into that sentence.

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Post by miscreanity »

titzer wrote: post #95
miscreanity wrote: post #92

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First off, I want my amazing AI and renewable/sustainable energy generation via microgrids and all manner of eco-friendly technologies. However, the economics and individual freedom aspects are pushing those forward; there largely orthogonal to the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming issue. The greatest source of energy beyond anything humanity could possibly hope to attain in the immediate future is reducing i…

> Man can cause localized disruptions and pollution but cannot yet alter the entire planet - that is sheer arrogance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

Thank you for the supporting information showing that both temperatures and sea levels during the pre-industrial era have been higher than they are now.

Everything has a cycle - those swings in temperatures and sea levels over the past 20,000+ years were not due to human activity but natural processes. No trend on an astronomical scale can be stopped or reversed by humans yet. Until we consistently produce a significant fraction of the energy output of the sun, we don't come close to running the show.

Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI

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Post by cpeterso »

ohopton wrote: post #131
mattnewport wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before Demis Hassabis was a master of AI hype he was a master of video game hype. The misleadingly named Infinite Polygon engine was one over hyped aspect of the over hyped and much delayed game Republic the Revolution. I think it actually turned out an ok game but is a notorious example of over promising and under delivering in the games industry.

I remember reading about the Infinite Polygon Engine in Edge (UK video games mag). Pleasantly described as twaddle on Eurogamer in 2003. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/r_republic_pc Still disappointed!

Interesting. Thanks!

There is so little information about the Infinite Polygon Engine that my comment above is now the #1 Google search result for "Infinite Polygon Engine" (with quotes), even above that Eurogamer article. Without quotes, my comment is only #2. :)

Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI

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Post by a008t »

tomd wrote: post #56
a008t wrote: post #40

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He is primarily a salesman, is he not?

> 'probably smart', 'primarily a salesman' "A child prodigy in chess, Hassabis reached master standard at the age of 13" "graduating in 1997 with a Double First[13] from the University of Cambridge" "obtain[ed] his PhD in cognitive neuroscience from University College London" "[his] theoretical account of the episodic memory system [...] was listed in the top 10 scientific breakthroughs of the year in any field by th…

But that does not change the fact that his primary role at the moment is selling his research institute to potential funders.

Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI

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Post by jokoon »

The problem with current ai right now is that it's very complicated and recent work (meaning the tools required are not for everyone), so it's more research than anything else. Most programmers don't really have a clue of how machine learning works when it works well enough, so that's really few people.

And so far, what applications in the real world are we seeing that are good enough and are actually useful to justify the investment? You cannot really trust self driving cars yet, and researchers don't have an insight on a deep neural network and how to use those results.

I have the feeling deep learning is another excuse to justify selling hardware.

I wish there was more research done at a higher level in Neuro sciences, to have a better definition of general intelligence.

Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI

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Post by abecedarius »

qbilius wrote: post #125
mindcrime wrote: post #93

I've been spending a lot of time lately digging into "outdated" 80's era approaches to AI. Some people think I'm wasting my time and ask "why aren't you doing Deep Learning?" This is the reason why: "You can think about deep learning as it currently is today as the equivalent in the brain to our sensory cortices: our visual cortex or auditory cortex. But, of course, true intelligence is a lot more than just that, you…

What would be a good starting point for digging into that 80s stuff, in your opinion?

Russell & Norvig devote considerable space to it, and their chapters all end with a great historical review section.

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Post by antognini »

DennisP wrote: post #129
gowld wrote: post #120

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How is that possible? From the Amazon blurb, it seems that the book talks about what would be destroyed by weather change, but nothing about what would be created . If temperature increases, some current cold areas would be more habitable. If sea levels rise, some inland area would become coastal. These changes would happen over generations, so populations would move. There would be tumult in human and animal life, w…

We're currently at one degree above preindustrial, and the world looks a lot like he described for that level. The book was published in 2009 but most of the news since has not been encouraging. A recent book that covers similar ground, also with a lot of references, is Unprecedented by David Ray Griffin; the conclusions are similar. If you want more detail on the geologic evidence, see Storms of My Grandchildren by…

> However, we know from geology and paleontology what's happened in previous major warming periods: mass extinction, and a huge loss of biomass, with most of the survivors clustered around the poles.

I thought that warming events were generally associated with speciation events, at least on land. (Marine life is a different story.) The last event, the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum, coincided with a major speciation event for mammals.

Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI

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Post by meh2frdf »

wsy wrote: post #97

AI has been a marketing terms from its invention, and is very misleading. Whenever you read something about 'Artificial Intelligence', try to replace this term with an actual technology, such as 'Deep Learning'. If the sentence doesn't make sense with any such replacement, it is most probably just marketing bullshit.

Replace deep learning with ANN, it was branded DL In order to get easier grant funding!

Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI

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Post by [deleted] »

antognini wrote: post #138
DennisP wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're currently at one degree above preindustrial, and the world looks a lot like he described for that level. The book was published in 2009 but most of the news since has not been encouraging. A recent book that covers similar ground, also with a lot of references, is Unprecedented by David Ray Griffin; the conclusions are similar. If you want more detail on the geologic evidence, see Storms of My Grandchildren by…

> However, we know from geology and paleontology what's happened in previous major warming periods: mass extinction, and a huge loss of biomass, with most of the survivors clustered around the poles. I thought that warming events were generally associated with speciation events, at least on land. (Marine life is a different story.) The last event, the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum, coincided with a major speciatio…

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