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San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

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Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#131

This really comes off as spiteful and childish. Bird and Lime didn't come kiss the ring before daring to provide services to the residents of San Francisco, so they get kicked to the curb in favor of a couple of companies who's timing hadn't yet angered the City.

If by "didn't kiss the ring" you mean they flagrantly violated the law, then sure.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#132
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were foolish enough to buy property next to a lot zoned for a 50-storey apartment building, then, yes.

People want to use upzoning to change permissable uses after people have bought. That’s the problem. So you’re either arguing for zoning to remain static to maintain the property rights of surrounding owners, or someone’s getting screwed when zoning changes. The equitable solution would be to compensate surrounding owners for their property losing value or them losing enjoyment when zoning changes (similar to eminent…

> The equitable solution would be to compensate surrounding owners for their property losing value or them losing enjoyment when zoning changes...

So we should use public money to compensate private property owners for making a bad gamble, at the expense of people who need a place to live. I’m sorry, but why is owning property a guarantee of a return on your investment? Should we compensate people who hold stock in coal companies when we regulate the coal industry too?

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#133

I generally away from regulation, but let me articulate the pro-regulation argument. Markets that are important (like transportation) and have network effects need to be regulated. A monopoly with Uber and/or Lyft dominating local transportation is not good for consumers or cities in the long-term. Cities should take control of their transportation and ensure competition by managing allocation of capacity. I think th…

There aren't a lot of barriers to entry in the ride-hailing market. Want to ride with another service? It's just another app. Want to drive for one more service in addition to the rest? Again, just another app that sends notifications.

If Uber and/or Lyft get a monopoly and then jack up prices, they won't have a monopoly for long.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#134

Business permits should be shall-issue: if an applicant adheres to a set of rules known in advance, the city ought to have no power to deny its permit application. Want to limit the number of something? Fine. Auction off medallions or something in a transparent, open way. Don't pick and choose businesses the way SF busybodies do. San Francisco has severe and worsening problems primarily due to rampant interference in…

Oh, you don't want the apps and services you use chosen by the San Francisco city government based on criteria they choose? Why not, they do such a good job with everything else right?

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#135
post #6

Where is the startup that creates mods for these scooters so they operate for free? Or the startup that opens a chop shop for disassembling all these abandoned scooters and sells the parts? Seriously though these scooter permits sound corrupt, or have the potential for massive corruption.

I'm honestly surprised more people aren't taking the battery packs off bicycles. I've heard there's effectively a cell phone inside (microphone, speaker, accelerometers, GPS, cell connection, etc), and announces that it's calling the police, when moved unexpectedly.

But cracking that case and pulling the batteries has to have some value. I'm honestly surprised we don't hear more news about that sort of criminal activity. Maybe if lithium were involved in the production of meth...

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#137
post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People want to use upzoning to change permissable uses after people have bought. That’s the problem. So you’re either arguing for zoning to remain static to maintain the property rights of surrounding owners, or someone’s getting screwed when zoning changes. The equitable solution would be to compensate surrounding owners for their property losing value or them losing enjoyment when zoning changes (similar to eminent…

> The equitable solution would be to compensate surrounding owners for their property losing value or them losing enjoyment when zoning changes... So we should use public money to compensate private property owners for making a bad gamble, at the expense of people who need a place to live. I’m sorry, but why is owning property a guarantee of a return on your investment? Should we compensate people who hold stock in c…

It’s not a gamble, it’s ownership. It’s not a guaranteed return, it’s compensation for loss of value by an injuring party.

Them the breaks of real estate law and it’s English origins, and while I won’t dissuade you from action, know that it will take decades before you see meaningful change. Plan accordingly.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#139
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine you owned a home and somebody wanted to put a nightclub on one side of you and an abattoir on the other. Do you think that might affect your quality of life at all? I mean hey, it's their property!

If the area is zoned to permit such facilities then perhaps having a house their isn't the best idea. Areas zoned residential don't have such issues.

His exact words were "Why shouldn't land owners be able to build whatever they want on their own property?" Zoning also prevents this sort of absolute freedom.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#140
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as they follow the noise and disturbance ordinances, then sure.

Are you suggesting that nightclubs should be banned altogether? If not, then where do you suggest to put them since they are inherently noisy?

That's where zoning comes in. Residential, commercial and so forth. NYC has dozens of zoning codes (eg., R6, R2, https://www1.nyc.gov/site/planning/zoning/districts-tools/re... is just a link to R and there are links on the left to C and the rest), and re-zoning requires a complicated political process. There's no chance of a nightclub opening up next door, but there's plenty of chances a few blocks aware where light industrial is being rezoned.

It's more complicated than Sim City ever was.

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