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Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by dingaling » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 1:17 PM UTC

philwelch wrote: post #95

tzahola wrote: post #56

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But it's not a neutral face. It's a face of disdain and contempt. This is a neutral face: https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/a... And this is the face of disdain I'm talking about: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGkhmT...

Especially to Western eyes, resting faces--some in particular--can often be interpreted that way because we're so used to forced smiles. This is particularly true for strangers because we don't have the experience to read their individual emotional expressions. > So Jason Rogers and Abbe Macbeth, behavioral researchers with international research and innovation firm Noldus Information Technology, decided to investiga…

Re: forced smiles. I encourage other adults not to say 'smile' when taking a photo of their children. Their natural expressions are often funnier and more insightful especially years later.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by dingaling » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 1:21 PM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #113

jdietrich wrote: post #102

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>I've never heard of this. There's a rap record label in the UK called "No Hats No Hoods", because of the ubiquity of that sign in certain parts of London. https://nohatsnohoods.bandcamp.com/

OK, but it's not a thing in the US. I pretty much always wear dark glasses and a big floppy hat in the summer, and have never been challenged at my bank. But then, maybe that's because I'm that guy in that hat ;)

Try entering whilst wearing a motorcycle helmet.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by yellowapple » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 2:01 PM UTC

jsonne wrote: post #78

scotu wrote: post #46

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not everybody has the luxury of doing what they like in life...

While that may be true modeling certainly doesn't fall into that category of professions.

It actually does, and with surprising frequency. Professional models in the high-fashion world often endure considerable amounts of work-related stress, and the decision to do a particular job is often less of an "I like doing this" and more of an "I have to do this to stay relevant / make ends meet / satisfy contract obligations / etc.". Even a seemingly-normal photoshoot can end up being excessively taxing both physically and mentally; the viewer only sees the end result, not the hours of standing around holding poses while the photographers try to get the photo oh so perfect or the hours of wardrobe and makeup prep or the overwhelming pressure to not eat (or - worse - to purge after meals) in order to remain palatable to the mass market and its unrealistic-bordering-on-downright-impossible body image expectations.

My original comment was a lame joke, sure, but it's one with a disturbing amount of truth behind it. Not all models like being models. I'd wager that hating the job might even be the norm. It has a high potential to be excessively stressful and even outright degrading, not to mention that it's a hotbed for shady business practices, outright fraud, and abuse (psychological, physical, and sexual alike). It's a career path notorious for its workers having little to no bargaining power.

I suspect that the folks voting my comment down don't actually know how shitty of a job modeling can be. I don't blame them for not knowing; on the surface, being a model seems fun and glamorous, right? Never mind that - like how office work is (usually) more than sitting around playing Solitaire all day - professional modeling is (usually) more than just hanging out all day and getting the occasional photo taken real quick (there is no "real quick" to these sorts of photo shoots).

Just my two cents.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by astura » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 2:58 PM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #113

jdietrich wrote: post #102

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>I've never heard of this. There's a rap record label in the UK called "No Hats No Hoods", because of the ubiquity of that sign in certain parts of London. https://nohatsnohoods.bandcamp.com/

OK, but it's not a thing in the US. I pretty much always wear dark glasses and a big floppy hat in the summer, and have never been challenged at my bank. But then, maybe that's because I'm that guy in that hat ;)

I'm American. I can confirm my bank has a sign that says "no hats, no hoods, no sunglasses" on the door. The enforcement seems lax; if you have certian skin colors at least.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by nkristoffersen » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 3:29 PM UTC

huntertwo wrote: post #121

aaron_m04 wrote: post #110

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> [...] and yet the makeup in question wouldn't fool Apple's FaceID, which is probably the largest facial recognition platform in the wild, because it's not just using camera data. What sensors is FaceID using besides the camera?

IR sensor

And IR dot projector.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by mirimir » Thu, Jul 05, 2018, 12:56 AM UTC

astura wrote: post #134

mirimir wrote: post #113

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OK, but it's not a thing in the US. I pretty much always wear dark glasses and a big floppy hat in the summer, and have never been challenged at my bank. But then, maybe that's because I'm that guy in that hat ;)

I'm American. I can confirm my bank has a sign that says "no hats, no hoods, no sunglasses" on the door. The enforcement seems lax; if you have certian skin colors at least.

Huh. Maybe I've just never seen the sign. Or maybe they don't have such signs in my sleepy little town. And then, there's the fact that I'm an old ~white guy, and everyone knows me. I mean, I have received mail with no street address. Just name, city, state and five-digit postal code :)

But here's the thing: Nobody except my ISP even knows that I use a VPN. Nobody knows that I'm interested in online privacy and security issues. Because I only get into that online, using VPNs and Tor.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by justboxing » Sun, Jul 08, 2018, 12:01 AM UTC

None of these 'hacks' work because almost all involve putting something on your face or your head.

I think the holy grail would be if someone comes up with a tiny device that you can wear on your ear, or around your neck, that emits something invisible and that which only obscures cameras.

That way, the humans interacting with other humans in public are not looking like clowns in makeup and having normal interactions, while obscuring and befuddling the big-brother cameras.

I tried to research this in 2015 and was told about infra-red ray emitters. Not sure if there's any truth to it, or if it's even possible. If any of you have made any progress on this and would like to collaborate, please contact me. Email in bio.