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EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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Ignoring what the laws are actually about, GDPR and copyright are similar in this: one entity gets legal control over others' use of certain information. But while the privacy law is aimed at allowing individuals to assert some control over companies, the expansion of copyright is used by companies to assert control over individuals.

Don't forget that companies are made of people and an individual is a company of 1.

GDPR is pretty much DRM for an individual's personal data.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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These kinds of laws are symptomatic of the democratic deficit that exists in the EU. These days, the commission can pretty much push through any crazy law it likes. Because no-one is paying any attention.

And the worst part is, ALL the heads of states of EU nations are in support of this law. The council approves of it. This means that even if you’d end the EU, these same people would still be able to pass the law.

The EU commission can get away with things that individual nations can not, because they are not subject to the same level of public scrutiny.

If a controversial law is proposed in a national parliament, then it becomes big news. A politician pushing an unpopular agenda would eventually find him/herself voted out.

But average people don't usually hear about laws the EU is creating until they're implemented. Hardly anyone had heard of the GDPR until it was too late. And the whole legislative process of the commission is opaque: you can't tell who in your government was responsible for supporting a particular position.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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Absolutely, but not getting linked to has always been an option. Publishers want Google to link to their content. At the same time they want Google to pay for the honor and prevent competitors from letting Google link to their content for free. The only reason this ridiculously brazen set of demands doesn't get laughed out of the room is that these publishers have tremendous political clout.

The big issue is that Google over time has moved to scrape the web. One big thing Google has done recently is they extract what you search for from a website, and show it inline. E.g. when I search for a recipe, I get the result in the Google search, and don’t need to visit their website. https://i.k8r.eu/aILGEg Google extracts reviews from Yelp!, and I can read them without visiting Yelp!. They’re doing this for eve…

I can see the problem with that. But as I understand it the proposed "link tax" is not limited to this sort of thing.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the worst part is, ALL the heads of states of EU nations are in support of this law. The council approves of it. This means that even if you’d end the EU, these same people would still be able to pass the law.

The EU commission can get away with things that individual nations can not, because they are not subject to the same level of public scrutiny. If a controversial law is proposed in a national parliament, then it becomes big news. A politician pushing an unpopular agenda would eventually find him/herself voted out. But average people don't usually hear about laws the EU is creating until they're implemented. Hardly an…

Yeah, that’s the one big issue with the EU - the fourth power, the media, is missing. There’s no discussion, no involvement of the public, neither the good nor bad is shown when it happens.

Instead, 4 years later, the same national politicians that wrote the law blame it on the "undemocratic" EU.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big issue is that Google over time has moved to scrape the web. One big thing Google has done recently is they extract what you search for from a website, and show it inline. E.g. when I search for a recipe, I get the result in the Google search, and don’t need to visit their website. https://i.k8r.eu/aILGEg Google extracts reviews from Yelp!, and I can read them without visiting Yelp!. They’re doing this for eve…

I can see the problem with that. But as I understand it the proposed "link tax" is not limited to this sort of thing.

Yeah, it’s why I hate the law as it is, but I can obviously also understand why Google seems like a threat to the actors behind this.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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I don't necessarily agree but the immediate downvotes anyone receives for questioning the EU's pure intentions is interesting. People are either extremely trusting of huge global governments or we're being brigaded.

I rarely comment on EU because of that. It seems like EU has its own brigade of "Brussel trolls"

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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post #85
post #4

GDPR and the proposed copyright laws will break the internet irrecoverably. The start-up industry will be a long forgotten dream. These old b@$%%%s will turn the internet into cable television. Scumbags would want to go back to a world of slavery, colonisation and wealth locked up as gold in personal treasuries. I hope all the other countries follow suit and then the only thing we will be able to aim for is a job in…

Why do you (and others) lump GDPR with this law? There is nothing common to them. Other than people who actually profit of personal data, I have not met one person who isn't in favor of the GDPR. This law is different.

There's one thing in common. Money required to obey them. And while GDPR can be somewhat avoided, how in the everloving name of Christ, can you avoid linking without horribly distorting the basic principles of the Web?

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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post #138
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you (and others) lump GDPR with this law? There is nothing common to them. Other than people who actually profit of personal data, I have not met one person who isn't in favor of the GDPR. This law is different.

There's one thing in common. Money required to obey them. And while GDPR can be somewhat avoided, how in the everloving name of Christ, can you avoid linking without horribly distorting the basic principles of the Web?

GDPR requires money to comply if you weren’t already compliant, yes - and at the extreme, it might even kill your business completely if your business isn’t gdpr compatible. But that’s a transient effect.

It is similar to an ordinance saying “starting tomorrow, you may not dump your sewage in the sea”. It might cost you to get proper disposal services, and if your business was about disposing to the sea, you’ll probably have to close shop.

But new houses wont dispose to the sea in the first place. And it will be better for everyone.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

#140
I believe country names in the article should be replacex by "x bureaucrats", e.g.

* Germany is standing in the way of an agreement over what the “link tax” should cover (see above).

* Austria and Italy want to extend the duration of the “link tax”.

Should be:

* Germany bureaucrats are standing in the way of an agreement over what the “link tax” should cover (see above).

* Austria and Italy bureaucrats want to extend the duration of the “link tax”.

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