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OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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I would honestly love to see a ground-up rebuild, but not the kind that would probably happen. OSX is getting creaky; it seems like it's had an increasing number of integral bugs lately, and the "redesign" that came with Yosemite felt more like a rushed coat of paint than a substantial rethink of the UX. Here's what I'd like to see: a fresh desktop OS that actually innovates in the space. Desktop UX innovation has sl…

I personally disagree. OS X, even older versions, is to me worlds ahead of Windows 7/10. I love the menu bar at the top for application-specific menus, the tabbed file manager, Spotlight is the best system-wide search compared to Windows or any third-party Windows tools. Devices like audio interfaces and printers are so much easier to get working than on Windows. The system preferences menu is a lot cleaner and easie…

> the tabbed file manager

Builds with 'sets' (tabs) have already circulated to Windows Insiders, so it can't be very long until we see them in the stable builds. They even work across apps! https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/8/17318334/windows-10-sets-a...

> Spotlight is the best system-wide search compared to Windows or any third-party Windows tools.

Have you tried Wox? https://github.com/Wox-launcher/Wox

> Devices like audio interfaces and printers are so much easier to get working than on Windows.

Windows auto-detects network printers. I'm not sure how much easier than that it can get.

> The system preferences menu is a lot cleaner and easier to navigate than control panel

That's why Microsoft made the Settings app. It used to be pretty bare, but has gotten quite functional and fully-featured over time, so I think we're at the point where it's unnecessary to touch the legacy Control Panel anymore.

There are legitimate gripes to be had with Windows (not in the least its data collection), but I don't think most of the ones you listed are the ones.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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I don't know why you would want window snapping. It doesn't provide any benefit

Scenario: I want to position three separate windows so that I can see and use all of them on a single screen. When I launch the three application windows, they launch stacked on top of one another. With window snapping, I can use keyboard shortcuts to quickly position each window and have all 3 windows be fully visible in their own distinct space, without having to remove my hands from the keyboard. If window snappin…

You can realistically only look at one thing at one time. Having 2 windows side by side is useful when referencing one and writing in the other. Otherwise command tab to switch works way better.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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What's the sentiment on OS X being rechristened macOS ? Doesn't this count as a sort've era 2.5?

OS X used to be Mac OS X. Branding does not matter a whole lot for the underlying technology. I feel that there was a pretty big technological change between "Rhapsody" and "Mac OS X", but the other name changes were not accompanied by comparable changes.

There was a big change between Rhapsody & OS X. The mach part was upgraded from 2.5 to 3.0 and the BSD part was rapidly being update. The other addition was the new driver abstraction library as NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP on i386 used Objective C, while OS X uses C++.

I don't think the code ever really sat that dormant, as they were working on 88000 based machines for the NeXTRISC before that was canceled, and sold off to Cannon who eventually shipped a dual PowerPC 601 machine based on the NeXT design that at the time was to include dual 88010's.

There clearly had been some work on PowerPC back when it was first announced as some early code made mention of a MC98601 aka the first gen PowerPC.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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As far as Ubuntu supporting window snapping, it’s worth noting that Linux has supported every conceivable window management feature for years, including some that have never come anywhere near Windows or Mac, like tiling window managers. making window management entirely modular. Every WM or desktop combo in Linux has other features I find highly convenient which are strangely missing from Mac and Windows, such as a…

My favorite feature, minimize to title bar, seems to be left for Window Maker and KDE, everyone else apparently has dropped it.

Xfce calls it shade window. I believe it is still there, and can be configured to be double click, or whatever you'd like.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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> If not, Google is coming down the road with Fuschia. I'm also hoping Fuchsia will save us.

I wouldn't count on it. Google doesn't seem particularly interested in the desktop at all. And if they were, then my worry is that it'll be seen like Windows 10 is now seen by Microsoft: as an "experience" (aka advertising platform), not a tool people use to get things done that should spend most of its time staying the hell out of the way.

Have you completely missed all the advances on Chrome OS lately?

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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> If not, Google is coming down the road with Fuschia. I'm also hoping Fuchsia will save us.

While Fuchsia has some nice ideas, given its licensing expect the same update experience as Android.

I doubt it, considering the strategy Google followed with Chrome OS.

Time will tell.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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I would honestly love to see a ground-up rebuild, but not the kind that would probably happen. OSX is getting creaky; it seems like it's had an increasing number of integral bugs lately, and the "redesign" that came with Yosemite felt more like a rushed coat of paint than a substantial rethink of the UX. Here's what I'd like to see: a fresh desktop OS that actually innovates in the space. Desktop UX innovation has sl…

A huge point in favor of macOS is the quality of its ecosystem. I only noticed this a couple of years ago when I tried to switch to Windows. When trying to find replacements for apps I use daily either there was nothing that had the functionality I wanted or what I found was just terrible. I found tons of win32 crap, or apps that didn't support scaling properly. Even software from Adobe... Some examples: Alfred, iSta…

>A huge point in favor of macOS is the quality of its ecosystem.

A huge point in favor of Windows is the diversity of its ecosystem.

And what's wrong with Win32 per se that you'd discount it as crap? Not everything needs to be 64-bit (and since on Windows the only compelling reason is >4GB RAM usage - it shouldn't).

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