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Interesting. It seems like after the senate hearings, Facebook is trying to communicate to its users that sending them your data is a necessary part of using their services.
Yup. Perhaps this will eventually be a screen for the user to choose: Button 1: Agree and proceed. Button 2: Set up credit card billing. Button 3: Close account.
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What does it even mean to be conditional? Is the EU saying that FB has to provide their service to Europeans? Does the EU also require that businesses sell their services and products at a loss? Doesn't FB have some right to deny usage of their service to those who choose not to abide by FB's policies? Whether it's disapproval of tracking or behavior violations, it seems like FB should be able to say they don't want…
They can choose to not provide service to EU citizens. If they provide service to EU citizens, then with that comes limitations on what rights the have under EU law to pick and choose which EU citizens they want to provide service to. Nobody is forcing them to serve the EU market.
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That's basically how it works in the US, yes.
Not just the US. Most of the western world has incredibly invasive security theatre in airports and train stations now.
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I imagine that doing this would have a downside: if they think you are outside the EU, they are not obligated to fully delete your data - it would live forever as soft-deleted, which may not be what you want if your intention is to protest against tracking.
How can you prove a hard delete. And you can VPN within the EU..
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There is no legal right to Facebook, but if Facebook wants to do business here, it has to abide by our rules. And our rules are very simple, you cannot deny service because the user doesn't allow tracking if tracking is not necessary for your service to work. And it isn't in this case, it's only necessary to deliver higher paying ads. Since they are being selective on the users they accept based on being tracked, the…
It's disconcerting to me that under the GDPR, online businesses appear to be losing the ability to deny services to a user who knowingly, and with clear consent, chooses to take personal responsibility over the data they provide to said businesses. Regardless of whether this is for the "greater good", this is deeply unsettling territory.
Go ahead and downvote. We will never reconcile the opinion that adults need a government parent vs those of us that believe that informed consent should be enough.
Believe me folks, just delete facebook. I've been so much happier since I did.
What about memes pages? that's the only reason I keep my account. Also, I don't even see adds with and Ad-blocker. What are they going to try to sell me, a meme page subscription?
Interesting. It seems like after the senate hearings, Facebook is trying to communicate to its users that sending them your data is a necessary part of using their services.
It's how they pay the bills, to be fair. I don't think that's much of a secret anymore but looks like they're making it more explicit.
In many jurisdictions that's illegal. EU is saying FB's approach is also illegal unless they make some key changes.
Personally, I hope FB just quits Europe.
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It's disconcerting to me that under the GDPR, online businesses appear to be losing the ability to deny services to a user who knowingly, and with clear consent, chooses to take personal responsibility over the data they provide to said businesses. Regardless of whether this is for the "greater good", this is deeply unsettling territory.
You're not allow to operate that way in most other businesses anyway. You can't sell leaded paint, even if clearly marked. You can't sell unsafe cars, even if you tell people that even low speed impacts will kill them. There's a ton of stuff you can't do, even with clear consent, because otherwise people who lack the means to understand the compromises or afford the safer choices will suffer.
This is nothing more than a digital drug law: “You can’t choose what services you consume because we are determined to protect you from yourself, like it or not.”
GDPR doesn't cover enough of the population using Facebook to warrant such a change to their business model where you can use the service without them using your data. They believe they are entrenched enough to just require this (and likely are for many EU residents).
The real question isn't population, it's revenue per user. An typical American or a European will draw a lot more revenue to Facebook than a typical person from a 3rd world country accessing Facebook through "Free Basics."
My educated guess is that Europe is Facebook's #2 market behind the US, and there's enough revenue there for them to change their business model.
Just after that Terms screen I got three real consent screens (including one about ads tracking and one about face recognition). I think this screen is only about the TOS update.