I am leaving llvm • Hacker News Board

Re: I am leaving llvm

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Post by baud147258 » Fri, May 04, 2018, 12:47 PM UTC

peterashford wrote: post #41

Seriously? LLVM supporting minorities means that you have to leave? I cannot fathom how trying to be inclusive should matter to anyone - it does not diminish you in any way to offer a hand up to others. I work in games. I have never been to GDC or PAX while I have seen many women get funding to go there on the basis of being a female in games. That isn't an attack on me personally - it's an attempt to work against hi…

> LLVM supporting minorities means that you have to leave What a terrible misrepresentation of his position.

Outreachy is a racist and sexist organization that excludes people based on their gender and ancestry. Anyone with a shred of self-awareness and moral fortitude should be proud to disassociate with them, and with anyone who chooses to associate with them.

Re: I am leaving llvm

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Post by Khaine » Fri, May 04, 2018, 12:47 PM UTC

sanxiyn wrote: post #125

mylons wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the person you're referencing to with the RAMPANT misandry on their twitter feed is just intolerable and tiring.

If so, rvagg should be criticized for those tweets, not for a reasonable article on neurodiversity.

You misunderstand rvagg didn't have tweets containing misandry. The person who was leading the charge against him did.

Re: I am leaving llvm

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Post by on_and_off » Fri, May 04, 2018, 2:00 PM UTC

amyjess wrote: post #15

He gives this as his reason for leaving: > Since agreement [to the code of conduct] is required to take part in the conferences, I am no longer able to attend. For reference, this is LLVM's code of conduct: https://llvm.org/docs/CodeOfConduct.html If somebody finds any of the below to be objectionable and refuses to abide by it, I would not be comfortable attending a conference with that person or being forced to int…

Thanks for posting this.

The fact that he cites the CoC as a main reason for leaving but is unwilling to explain why was already a red flag.

I don't see exactly what he finds objectable there ? He wishes he could make violent threats to other attendees ? Or maybe sexually harass them ? Complain that there are too many browns ones ?

LLVM will do fine without him.

Re: I am leaving llvm

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Post by elcapitan » Fri, May 04, 2018, 4:23 PM UTC

aivarsk wrote: post #129

malvosenior wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you should read up on the Contributor Covenant. The creator of which is notorious for aggressively pushing to get the CoC included into projects and then harassing developers. Here's one of the more famous examples: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 Also see how the creator tried to force this CoC into Ruby: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004

They should try to force this CoC into Linux kernel :-D

Oh god I want to read Linus' reply :D Better than a Netflix subscription for a year or so.

Re: I am leaving llvm

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Post by mylons » Sat, May 05, 2018, 3:31 AM UTC

Khaine wrote: post #132

sanxiyn wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If so, rvagg should be criticized for those tweets, not for a reasonable article on neurodiversity.

You misunderstand rvagg didn't have tweets containing misandry. The person who was leading the charge against him did.

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Re: I am leaving llvm

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Post by ggm » Sat, May 05, 2018, 5:16 AM UTC

modbait wrote: post #2

This will happen more and more, though many will not be as open about their concerns, for fear of retaliation. I grew up in a time and place where many took great steps to profess that they were the "good" people and to ensure that everyone knew that they appropriately despised the "bad" people (albeit with love). I will not be a part of a return to that.

... posted from a name called modbait "I see what you did there" ...

Re: I am leaving llvm

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Post by windoze10 » Sun, May 06, 2018, 1:24 PM UTC

Yeah, I'm Asian, it's very funny to me to see a racist-to-the-core organization pretending to be the guardians of the diversity.

They can go F themselves.

Re: I am leaving llvm

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Post by ftarlao » Mon, May 07, 2018, 11:08 AM UTC

morvita wrote: post #16

GiorgioG wrote: post #6

These social justice warriors may seem well-meaning, but ultimately they are parasites. Their mission is never-ending and ultimately they overreach and this is the result. I just want to work with smart people. I don't care what gender they associate themselves with, what color they are, whether there's an equal distribution of any of these characteristics in my department. I just want to do my job and learn from sma…

I, too, dream of a world where I can work with smart people without regard to their race, sexuality, gender, whatever, but it is naive to think that we are already living in that world. Like it or not, the entire system is stacked against minorities in ways that aren't even obvious or noticeable from a position of privilege. I work as an engineer in an office of 120 people in the East Bay. There are three black peopl…

I got your point, but I think that the problem is not "helping" (with scholarships) based on membership with minorities, but helping when there are bad economic or social conditions. This may be correlated with other attributes yes but I think that we must write rules for persons by only considering the factors that effectively prevent them from studying and not the skin color.

Re: I am leaving llvm

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Post by ftarlao » Mon, May 07, 2018, 11:15 AM UTC

peterashford wrote: post #41

Seriously? LLVM supporting minorities means that you have to leave? I cannot fathom how trying to be inclusive should matter to anyone - it does not diminish you in any way to offer a hand up to others. I work in games. I have never been to GDC or PAX while I have seen many women get funding to go there on the basis of being a female in games. That isn't an attack on me personally - it's an attempt to work against hi…

Personally, I will surely quit from a firm adopting racist or discriminating policy, it's not about being forced to but it's about fighting dangerous behaviours. Furthermore the guy has not left cause the 'support to minorities trend' but has left cause the disguised 'racist and discriminating trend' of the LLVM project.

Re: I am leaving llvm

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Post by zeth___ » Tue, May 08, 2018, 5:34 AM UTC

morvita wrote: post #16

GiorgioG wrote: post #6

These social justice warriors may seem well-meaning, but ultimately they are parasites. Their mission is never-ending and ultimately they overreach and this is the result. I just want to work with smart people. I don't care what gender they associate themselves with, what color they are, whether there's an equal distribution of any of these characteristics in my department. I just want to do my job and learn from sma…

I, too, dream of a world where I can work with smart people without regard to their race, sexuality, gender, whatever, but it is naive to think that we are already living in that world. Like it or not, the entire system is stacked against minorities in ways that aren't even obvious or noticeable from a position of privilege. I work as an engineer in an office of 120 people in the East Bay. There are three black peopl…

You are also assuming that the 4% of the worlds population in the US is representative of the world. Or imperial privilege as those of us who suffer from empire like to call it.

That you push your social issues on us as well as your armies adds insult to injury.

I dream of a day when there are no US troops on non-US soil. A day that I can advocate wealth redistribution without fear of a CIA funded coup. A day where the internet represents all of humanity.