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Why is everyone so busy? (2014)

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As one blogger said, perks are cheaper then salary raise.

Exactly. I once had a manager who tried to incentivize my team to work overtime for two months to hit an unrealistic deadline set by the sales department. The incentive was that we would have a pizza party IF we hit the deadline. Monetary compensation was never even discussed.

Funny thing, the dude I had in mind was not criticizing the practice. He was giving advice to other employers on how to save money and motivate people.

I always wondered what his employees thought when they read that article and whether the perks worked as nicely after he explained his thinking in public.

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As long as there are marginal gains to be made from working an extra hour I don't see this changing. Imagine if one country decided to change from a 40 hour work week to a 20 hour work week. If this decreases their GDP from producing less output, then they become economically weaker, their standard of living in terms of purchasing power is diminished, and the tax base is decreased. I think the biggest reason we don't…

Interestingly, for the workers mentioned in the article there are no marginal gains because they are salaried.

I suspect it has more to do with our inability to measure modern work, instead we use a poor proxy for productivity, keeping your seat warm.

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My last job, I had so much more free time. I finished at 4 each day and sometimes took 3 hour lunches. Someone would text me in another city and ask if I could come through and meet them. I would often just walk out of work (it wasn't a problem) and go meet them. If it meant that I didn't get back to the office that day, so be it. There was lots of time spent with friends and family, it was great. My current job, I e…

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I found this article really interesting and extremely well written. The excerpt below is a literary masterpiece.(other comments complain about paywall but on mobile I got "3 articles free" message. Not sure if they're A/B testing or if they're giving me free stuff because I'm in South Africa and they assume that online payments are hard here) "Leisure time is now the stuff of myth. Some are cursed with too much. Othe…

I wonder if this author has children. I couldn’t read because of paywall. My life came to a slow and boredom was setting in slowly until I had a child. Living through his life makes me feel excited again, not for myself but knowing everything he’ll go experience. If anyone reading this has a choice in having kids but hadn’t yet, I’d highly recommend it. Yes it’s hard and strange at first but worth every moment. Just…

This one is strange to me, as I can't help but see it as an offset of sorts. The problem unresolved, has been pushed onto the next generation. That generation, having encountered the same problem, will then, too, push it to the next generation.

> "what's important in life"

Very common epithet. The important thing in your life is the next person? And then the important thing in the life of that person is their next person? Wait, what?

Something here is just not right.

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If 'busy' means that your time is filled with things to do, that -can- be a good thing. My impression is that before technology, media, communications, health, and rising standards of living life was -a lot- more boring.

Every day on the 'net I see that hundreds of people who've not only found specialized, fascinating topics, but finally have someone to talk to about them. Sure beats taking anti-depressants.

To the extent that busy means 'paying for all this stuff I have to have': how much of it do I really need? Are we victims of 'have to have' obesity? I'll just gently suggest that, for many in the West, the answer is yes.

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My current guess is that a large part of this is the increase in various amounts of "chores" to manage, and this potentially increases with more wealth. Bills to pay, insurances to get, appointments to make, this or that government obligation to fulfill, monitoring credit report and data breaches, investing money here or there, getting real estate...

+ other things, like continuous learning, information collection, designing exercise schedules, designing diet systems...

With the persistent threat that if you mess these up there will be trouble.

Related to this, I wonder if the proliferation of these things is why conscientiousness is currently strongly associated with success. I've seen highly intelligent people have significant failures in their lives because they simply couldn't efficiently manage the bureaucracy that it seems it is assumed you can just manage automatically, which very much does not seem to be the case.

In reality, I think the current small (and large) task management load is simply too large for most people to properly handle, and wealth doesn't particularly help with all this because it doesn't directly increase the mental load surface... unless you outsource the work somewhere else...

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I recommend people watch Japan A story of love and hate ( http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x56bwzc ) which, aside from being a great look at Japan, epitomizes the absurdity of exchanging our time for a salary that increasingly fails to cover the cost to live and leaves us without free time. 30,000 Japanese kill themselves each year due to work related stress. Great quote from the doc: Naoki:"You (the West) game me th…

On the money. Fuck the 9-5 corporate work life. I've been doing this everyday for 12 years..and I'm about to blow my brains out. I encourage everyone to find one thing they love and find a way to do it everyday for the rest of your life.

9 to 5 corporate can be depressing, but so can the high-flying, play hard startup life.

I'm seeking something somewhat in between these. At least I get paid by the hour which in tech is a great luxury.

Salaries are a scam and I stay away from them, at the price of job security. Which doesn't exist anyway, right?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one blogger said, perks are cheaper then salary raise.

Exactly. I once had a manager who tried to incentivize my team to work overtime for two months to hit an unrealistic deadline set by the sales department. The incentive was that we would have a pizza party IF we hit the deadline. Monetary compensation was never even discussed.

> The incentive was that we would have a pizza party IF we hit the deadline.

This same thing happened to me when I was a wee lad. I then personally ordered and paid for a few pizzas, breadsticks, root beer, a greek salad, about $50 all together, and hosted a pizza party myself at work late at night. To get your slice I just had you sign a petition against unpaid overtime and interest in joining the Teamsters Union. A couple guys didn't want to sign, the others did. A few weeks later I was fired with cause, had a better paying job by the end of the week. Company folded around a year later. And good.

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I recommend people watch Japan A story of love and hate ( http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x56bwzc ) which, aside from being a great look at Japan, epitomizes the absurdity of exchanging our time for a salary that increasingly fails to cover the cost to live and leaves us without free time. 30,000 Japanese kill themselves each year due to work related stress. Great quote from the doc: Naoki:"You (the West) game me th…

> " ...the notion that sitting in traffic each morning to reach a room where one stares into a screen for 9 hours - every day, for 40 odd years - is desirable is the greatest con capitalism has ever pulled. " I think you're ignoring the biggest benefit of capitalism. While many people will do something fairly similar to what you're describing, it's not explicitly required or unchangeable. You have the ability, even i…

>For a person washing toilets, this could be the dream of sitting in front of that screen one day. For the person in front of that screen, it could be starting their own business or taking an early retirement and living the rest of their years off the beach.

And socialism could eliminate entirely the need to have someone washing toilets. I work in an office of about 2,000 people, over 10 floors, each with 2 sets of bathrooms for each gender. Going by 200 people per floor, assuming 50/50 gender split, that's 50 people per bathroom. It takes about half an hour to clean and restock each bathroom each day. Would you be hugely inconvenienced if you had to give up half an hour of your time every 50 days to clean the bathroom you use at work? I definitely wouldn't, and I think a lot of people would probably treat the bathrooms better if they did have to clean them on occasion.

Furthermore, the cleaners we have now aren't brain-dead animals: they have intellect, ideas, and ambitions of their own. I've met plenty of caretakers and other low-skilled workers who had been trained in other fields in the past, lost their jobs for varying reasons, and couldn't retrain due to time or financial constraints and got stuck in menial labour. Much of the time they simply cannot realistically ever move up the ladder. To quote Stephen Jay Gould:

>“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”

We have created a lot of menial jobs for the sake of them: and in a lot of cases, they have been created because as this article mentions, a lot of well-educated workers no longer have the time to do non-work related tasks themselves. Would takeaway deliver drivers really be as common as they are now if people were working twenty hours a week, and had time to cook for themselves? What about Starbucks employees? Taxi drivers? There are millions of people who could actually use their full potential if they weren't constrained by wage slavery. Those people would also be much more efficient at what they do if they had the freedom to do what they enjoyed.

>Capitalism enables people to move up. The system you described would actually be perfectly reflective of a more social economic system like communism. The government would measure your competency and then offer you a series of jobs. You would take that a job off that list and you would do it til the day you were allowed to stop working. All without any chance for ever achieving something better beyond that list of jobs they decided you were qualified for. And of course you'd receive the same compensation when you're 18 as when you're 50 with decades of experience, because that's fair...

This is a huge misunderstanding of communism. There are many, many different forms of anti-capitalism, and very few actually believe a centralised government forcing people to work in pre-determined fields is a good idea. I'm not as clued up on communist/socialist theory as I should be, but afaik what you're describing is a form of state socialism, and one which almost all anti-capitalists vehemently disagree with. I've seen many arguments started by people suggesting state ownership of capital: almost everyone agrees that the risk of corruption is far too high with a centralised state.

I highly recommend reading The Conquest of Bread by Kropotkin. It paints an excellent picture of a more reasonable anarcho-communist society, without a centralised state, which could realistically exist. Just to make this comment relevant to the original article: he originally suggested, in the late 19th century, that the industrial era had already increased production to the point that nobody should have to work more than four hours a day. Furthermore, that the time people saved could be spent building tools of automation to further reduce people's workload. It is, if anything, far more relevant today than it was when it was written.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> " ...the notion that sitting in traffic each morning to reach a room where one stares into a screen for 9 hours - every day, for 40 odd years - is desirable is the greatest con capitalism has ever pulled. " I think you're ignoring the biggest benefit of capitalism. While many people will do something fairly similar to what you're describing, it's not explicitly required or unchangeable. You have the ability, even i…

>For a person washing toilets, this could be the dream of sitting in front of that screen one day. For the person in front of that screen, it could be starting their own business or taking an early retirement and living the rest of their years off the beach. And socialism could eliminate entirely the need to have someone washing toilets. I work in an office of about 2,000 people, over 10 floors, each with 2 sets of b…

Specialisation improves efficiency. Sure, you could eliminate that full-time cleaner's job (probably leaving them unemployed) and replace their labour with that of a rotation of high-paid software engineers. Now your company is paying $100k+ a year to keep their toilets clean.
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