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The Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades

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Re: The Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades

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For anyone interested in stories like these, I highly recommend "Normal Accidents" by Charles Perrow - there's an entire chapter on maritime accidents.

Is this the book where a nuclear technician drops a wrench from high up in a nuclear silo right onto the nuke and hears some horrifying sound (maybe a hissing?). I've been meaning to read that book, someone mentioned it in another HN post. Please let me know thanks.

Re: The Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades

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I could tell from the title this was going to be written by William Langewiesche. He really knows how to spin a good yarn. All his articles and books seem to be movie-worthy. I'm not entirely convinced reality is that exciting, though.

A great example is his treatment of Air France 447: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/business/2014/10/air-france-...

His description of the "emotional inertia" that sets in is most terrifying of all. It really gives a feeling for the fear that grips. Instead of saying "they were afraid" he shows it. Good writing indeed.

Re: The Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades

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post #131
post #23

For anyone interested in stories like these, I highly recommend "Normal Accidents" by Charles Perrow - there's an entire chapter on maritime accidents.

Is this the book where a nuclear technician drops a wrench from high up in a nuclear silo right onto the nuke and hears some horrifying sound (maybe a hissing?). I've been meaning to read that book, someone mentioned it in another HN post. Please let me know thanks.

You might be thinking of "Command and Control" by Eric Schlosser.

Re: The Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difficulty of "authorized" was that a captain at sea should have full control to make safe navigational decisions without corporate, profit-minded authorization. Captain Mike's previous experience insinuated that a captain could override company orders but could expect to be quietly let go soon after.

Seems safe to assume those two tugboats cost a hell of a lot less than this accident and the wrongful death suits, not to mention the unnecessary fatalities.

Yeah, the trouble is though.. the tugboats got paid for and the steering gear didn't fail as it wasn't used.

Same here, he goes a different way and costs the company money and all of a sudden its not comparing the cost of the diversion with the cost of the loss of the ship and crew, its only comparing it to a safe but tense voyage.

Re: The Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades

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Anyone else get a weird pop-up after opening this article? I'm using Firefox for Android, and after I open the article and begin scrolling, a little box pops up that lists the names of 2 local financial institutions and the word "remove." As I scroll down, the box moves, too. If I tap on one of the names or the word "remove" the box disappears. I only get this on Firefox for Android.

The only reason it's rather worrying is because I happen to bank at both of the financial institutions on the list. They are both small, local institutions.

Tried opening the link on a couple other devices but was unable to recreate this. The pop-up appears every time I open the link in Firefox on my phone, though.

Re: The Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades

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What amazed me reading the report was just how vulnerable the ship was to sinking if it had a list during a storm. While an 18 degree list is extreme it's not unforeseeable in a serious emergency. The problem was this put ventilation openings at a height where they were directly subject to green water infiltration. To make it worse only the intakes were 'watertight' the exhausts were only 'weathertight' meaning that this would have resulted in flooding that would have made the problem worse.

Re: The Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades

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post #23

For anyone interested in stories like these, I highly recommend "Normal Accidents" by Charles Perrow - there's an entire chapter on maritime accidents.

Seconded, Normal Accidents is one of the best books I've ever read. In addition to the maritime accidents, there are chapters on nuclear plants, chemical plants, and dams. It is a great discussion of how modern industrial accidents rarely have a single cause but instead are cascade failures of systems whose complexity has evolved beyond what we can handle, and presaged many of the messes we've got into with hyper-sca…

Check out stuff that Betrand Meyer, Eiffels dad, has written - he pretty much beat hell out of software mishaps to show how he'd tried to compensate for those issues in Eiffel. -- here's one of the best known -- https://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/contract/a...

Re: The Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades

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I suspect that human driven errors like this will lead the shipping industry to transition to autonomy. Through this whole story the autopilot was the only one steering the ship, the humans in the loop were responsible for plotting and course setting. Obviously this is a bad idea. It's not hard to imagine an expert software system that could have done a better job with this situation, especially in processing the text based weather data coming over the C-sat.

Apparently some Norweigans agree with me and are doing exactly this. I suspect this will become the future norm once the bugs are ironed out.

https://www.km.kongsberg.com/ks/web/nokbg0238.nsf/AllWeb/0CB...

Re: The Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another conclusion is to stick to land-based activities.

Or be able to go deep underwater when things get really nasty.

For a guy who grew up on a dryland wheat farm 400 miles from ocean, that is going in the wrong direction for me.
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