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Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by yanex »

mherrmann wrote: post #112
yanex wrote: post #96

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Marta is not inspired by fman. The Action panel (I think it's called a Command palette in fman) is likely to be the only common thing between our products – and we both took it from Sublime Text. But it's not really important. The "doesn't feel native" is not the main problem for me. I use a number of non-native apps (such as IJ IDEA) – and I'm okay with it. fman is a just slow app without features. It was ok if it w…

You're focused on "features". Given your limited time, that makes sense. But a successful project requires more. I have been working on many things that are less visible (besides the fact that I'm supporting three times as many platforms). This affects things like the number of plugins contributed by users (fman has 10x those of Marta). Or the activity on the issue tracker (compare fman's [1] with Marta's [2], where…

I was going to post the detailed answer to your message, but I realized it won't make any sense.

I won't argue with you. I only say that envy is bad for your health.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by yanex »

grzm wrote: post #62

Looks interesting. I'd love to see more screen shots. Is there a gallery somewhere? I poked around the site a bit but didn't find one. Tthough perhaps I just missed it. Been known to happen.)

Thanks for the advice! I'll make a gallery that will show more features of Marta.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by Digital-Citizen »

yanex wrote: post #35
Digital-Citizen wrote: post #30

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If that's the case (and I take it the absence of a source code repository is how you're reaching your conclusion), that's ironic. The Marta webpage linked to this story includes "Because I want to own what I pay money for." yet one never truly owns proprietary software regardless of price; one can never really tell what it is doing, and users are prohibited from inspecting the program to find out, as well as sharing…

Marta author here. I agree with you that the open source software has higher level of trust than the proprietary one, but I afraid I just can't maintain Marta steadily for a long time if it was open-sourced (and then forever free). And I doubt the community will do that instead of me. In case if you're interested, I expressed my thoughts about this here [1] earlier. I do promise, though, that Marta will never collect…

Actually one doesn't need to trust free software because one has the freedom to inspect and modify the software to make it do what the user wants. Whether users choose to do these things is their choice and besides the point; the freedoms remain.

Trust comes into play when users are denied these freedoms; users have nothing else on which to make an informed decision. Therefore users are left to evaluate promises such as the promises you made. Belief in those promises essentially boils down to uninformed trust. It's no secret that many other proprietors do spy on their users (Microsoft purposefully changed Skype protocol to better allow spying, according to http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-co...). I'm pretty sure Microsoft wants to have a good reputation despite their behavior.

As you said in the post you linked to, "Although this is my current mindset, it can change in the future.". This could apply to the promises you made (or strong convictions you posted about on github.com) as well.

The question of maintaining Marta is another issue I think is misstated in your response here and on github.com: with free software users can maintain software too. They could even choose to hire you to do the job. And they can certainly host their own discussions regardless of Marta's license. The underlying issue has to do with whether users will be able to make the software they run on their computers do what they want the software to do (which is the issue with which I raised my first post on this thread) and thus retain control over their computer.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by na85 »

ReverseCold wrote: post #28
mrgordon wrote: post #25

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This all or nothing mentality doesn't often end up being useful in practice. For example, try doing some deep learning on Linux with CUDA without installing closed source NVIDIA drivers. The important detail is who provided the software and in this case most people are going to trust Apple or NVIDIA significantly more than a small third-party software developer they've never heard of. (FWIW many of us tried running L…

Linux is actually good now for desktop use. I install it (= Fedora or Antergos w/ GNOME) on everything now and it just works(tm). Not a single thing has been broken across two modern PCs and a laptop.

I've never had linux suspend/resume work properly. Ever.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by ezekg »

solarkraft wrote: post #117
azinman2 wrote: post #72

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Question is “good for what?” It simply doesn’t have the polish, or flexibility that I’d need to effectively stay on it for long. I always end up spending longggg times customizing things only to feel little integration, little support, and a lack of decent third party software. Sketch is Mac only. Spotify barely has a Linux client. Certainly no photoshop, medocire native email clients, zero IM that integrate with any…

Spotify on Linux == Spotify on Mac == Spotify on Windows == Spotify on the web. It's an electron app.

Is it an Electron app now? Last time I poked around on macOS (admittedly, about a year ago), it didn’t look like an Electron app to me, but it most definitely was using a web view of some kind.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by kn0where »

ezekg wrote: post #136
solarkraft wrote: post #117

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Spotify on Linux == Spotify on Mac == Spotify on Windows == Spotify on the web. It's an electron app.

Is it an Electron app now? Last time I poked around on macOS (admittedly, about a year ago), it didn’t look like an Electron app to me, but it most definitely was using a web view of some kind.

It's not Electron, but it is Chromium.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by dvcrn »

I would like to try to use this as default manager for things like `open .` and `reveal in finder` actions. `defaults write -g NSFileViewer -string org.yanex.marta` did a pretty good job with some things but others still don't work.

Is there any way to set it as default?

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by josteink »

na85 wrote: post #135
ReverseCold wrote: post #28

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Linux is actually good now for desktop use. I install it (= Fedora or Antergos w/ GNOME) on everything now and it just works(tm). Not a single thing has been broken across two modern PCs and a laptop.

I've never had linux suspend/resume work properly. Ever.

I’m not going to say I don’t believe you, but I find comments like this one (which I see surprisingly often) funny because I’ve never not had it working perfectly, OOB, with no effort on my own, for as long as I can remember

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by na85 »

josteink wrote: post #139
na85 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never had linux suspend/resume work properly. Ever.

I’m not going to say I don’t believe you, but I find comments like this one (which I see surprisingly often) funny because I’ve never not had it working perfectly, OOB, with no effort on my own, for as long as I can remember

The closest I've had to success was my old ThinkPad which would power off the screen when the lid closed but would not suspend the actual system.
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